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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
visualopsins wrote:
The first post in this thread now shows all Eight (wow!) versions.

Thanks for making the updates! This is turning into an excellent resource. Cool

A few comments:
* On my #6 (171x), 0.3m is the closest marked focus distance, but the focus ring actually turns past it. Infinity is a definite stop (and aligned), but 0.3m is not. I wonder if anyone has any literature on what the actual close focus distance was?
* How did you find a close focus distance for my #8 (281x)? Wink
* Is it just me, or does the new #2 (966x from casualcollector) have a different front element from the others? Aside from my C/D #8 (281x), they all had the "flat" front element... so it is interesting to see an older lens that has a different optical design.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Scheimpflug wrote:
* On my #6 (171x), 0.3m is the closest marked focus distance, but the focus ring actually turns past it. Infinity is a definite stop (and aligned), but 0.3m is not. I wonder if anyone has any literature on what the actual close focus distance was?


~0.275m? Laughing How do manufacturers specify min-focus; always the min number on scale?

Scheimpflug wrote:
* How did you find a close focus distance for my #8 (281x)? Wink


How did I guess? Wink


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
There is a Soligor H6 code Komine made 28 2.8 T mount lens that was just listed on Ebay.
It is different then visualopsins and my copy. Not enough pics to see what the differences are, but you can clearly see that there in no "made in Japan", printed on the ring.
Click here to see on Ebay


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Listed as a 22mm but it's a 28mm. I saved a pic of the front for future reference.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
visualopsins wrote:
The first post in this thread now shows all Eight (wow!) versions.


My curiosity got the best of me, so I did some searching. It turns out that even our surprising 8 versions collected by members here may just be the tip of the iceberg! Shocked

Here are nine more. Shocked Sorry, visualopsins! Mr. Green




http://cgi.ebay.com/Soligor-28mm-F-2-8-Wide-Prime-Lens-Minolta-MD-Mount-/220656683130
177x, Minolta MD mount, 58mm filter size
rubber grip, f/16 minimum aperture, different coatings?





http://cgi.ebay.com/SOLIGOR-28mm-f-2-8-Lens-MIRANDA-Looks-Works-Great-/400144809520
184x, Miranda mount, unknown filter size
Metal grip. Lowercase text on name ring. Similar to 966x lens, but with step-down for filter threads, silver accents, interchanged ft/m scales, f/16 minimum aperture instead of f/22.






http://cgi.ebay.com/SOLIGOR-WIDE-ANGLE-28MM-2-8-LENS-YASHICA-MOUNT-CLEAN-/320556374712
281x, Yashica mount, 55mm filter size
rubber grip, C/D designation, f/22 minimum aperture, first with 55mm filter size






http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/16891653/SOLIGOR_CD_WIDE_AUTO_28mm_1_2_8_SPOTLESS.html
283x, M42 mount, 49mm filter size
rubber grip, similar to my 281x, but looks shorter, has a flatter front element with different retaining,
and no step-down for the filter threads. MC indication as well. f/22 minimum aperture.




http://cgi.ebay.com/SOLIGOR-28MM-2-8-LENS-OLYMPUS-MOUNT-NICE-/290463091543
479x, Olympus mount, 58mm filter size
Rubber grip(?) Different name ring text, MC indication, first 4xxxxxx lens in the list





http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Soligor-MC-1-2-8-28mm-Wide-Angle-Lens-Minolta-/190425425573
683x, Minolta mount, 49mm filter size
rubber grip, MC designation, first 6xxxxxxxx lens in the list, f/22 minimum aperture




http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTO-SOLIGOR-1-2-8-28-MM-M-42-TOP-/270619526772
779x, M42 mount, 62mm filter size
Rubber grip(?), first 7xxxxx lens in the list,




http://cgi.ebay.com/Soligor-2-8-28mm-fur-Canon-FD-/370258329383
992x, Canon FD mount, 49mm filter size
rubber grip, MC and C/D designations, 0.25m minimum focus distanc
newest lens so far?




http://cgi.ebay.com/Soligor-1-2-8-28mm-Macro-funktion-TOP-/270522553460
unknown SN, Canon FD mount, unknown filter size
Rubber grip, MACRO range (1:4.5-1:6), only macro lens so far?, MC designation



Hopefully these are in a good order and with most of the info you need, visualopsins. It looks like grip (metal/rubber), minimum aperture (f/16, f/22), macro (yes/no), C/D (yes/no), and coating (none/single/multi) are five more columns that you could add to your table. Wink


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Scheimpflug wrote:
visualopsins wrote:
The first post in this thread now shows all Eight (wow!) versions.


My curiosity got the best of me, so I did some searching. It turns out that even our surprising 8 versions collected by members here may just be the tip of the iceberg! Shocked

Here are nine more. Shocked Sorry, visualopsins! Mr. Green


Laughing I too searched ebaY & found these. Laughing Rolling Eyes Cool (sometimes google isn't the best resource!)

somebody should begin the 'Soligor 2.8/135 -- seventy versions' thread.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
'Pflug,

You've been doing some diligent searching. Some are variations on a theme.

#17764521 is an updated Tokina. Rubber replaces knurling on focus grip and plain black aperture grip replaces earlier chrome ring with "ears".

#184220 appears to be the same lens as my 9663657 but in Miranda mount and dressed in full Miranda cosmetics.

#2810764 a later Sun made lens. Looks much different from the earlier model with metal focus grip and 62mm filter. Aperture grip changed from silver to black but retains Sun style knurl.

#283004266 generic '80s looking 28. Sun style but perhaps made by Cosina?

#4790922 updated Sun? Redecorated Tokina? Knurl on the aperture grip appears to be in the valley. Soligor name is engraved in the Sun style.

#683023410 The squared off infinity symbol and small orange diamond reference mark, IMO, are Sun charactersitics.

#779996 the 62mm filter makes me vote for Sun.

#9920899 Cosina?

FD Macro Don't know but the raised ring around the front element is distinctive.

My two cents!

Bill


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks Bill.

It's actually sort of fun pulling up a bunch of image results, and trying to find the "new" ones. Almost like those "spot the differences" games. I don't know the details about the different manufacturers though, so I'm leaving all of that up to you guys. Wink

The Miranda 184x with your 966x I thought was pretty interesting. They do look extremely similar, but what caught me was the different serial number prefix. So if the codes are correct, then they are different manufacturers.. not what I would have guessed at first glance!

About the raised ring around the FD Macro front element, the only other one of these that has something similar is my 281x, which has tentatively been identified as Sun. So I suppose it would be safe to lean towards Sun as well for the FD Macro? Side-by-side, they look pretty similar... I think I can see the matching step-down for the filter threads in the FD Macro, but the photo isn't very good...


Also, I noticed you guessed Cosina twice... but Walter's list actually doesn't include Cosina (yet). Are there any Cosina characteristics to watch for in other auctions?


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Remember that Soligor had some clout back in those days, and manufacturers would make lenses to the style demanded Wink


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The one above in Scheimpflug's post with the 62mm filter ring is the same as this 'Super Travenar' that I've got.

I've been tracking this lens manufacturer down and I'm thinking 'Sun' as well. The Travenar name was nothing more tham a marketing name on this lens, it's nothing like any other Travenar I have seen

And so far I've found pictures of variants marketed as -

Soligor

Reflex

Super Carenar

Prinzflex

Welt

Mirage

Infotar

Hanimar

Flexar

Elicar

Derek Gardenar Automatic

Porst


and possibly –

Bushnell( Bausch & Lomb )

J.C. Penny

Pallas

Berroflex

Aetna

Obviously I have no details of the lenses, I'm working on pictures from Ebay and the net, but the first lot are close enough to be fairly sure that it's a generic 28mm lens that got marketed by many different companies.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
now 17 versions http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1054364.html


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
walter g wrote:
Nordentro wrote:
I have a 28mm f2

So this is a Tokina? Surprised





You don't know what it is. So I'm guessing you got it cheap. Shocked Soligor had a series of lenses around 1974-1975 that were this style. I call them there high dollar series.
They were fast lenses. Sizes I know of were 28/2, 85 1/5, 105 2/8, 135/2,
200 2/8.
Your lens was made in 1974 by Tokina. code 1= Tokina 74= 1974.
This is one of the lenses that dosen't look like the normal Tokinas.

1974 lenses had the chrome top edge to the lens. 1975 went to all black.
I've seen these lenses listed on Ebay from this series in the USD $200 to $400 plus range, but I havent tracked actual sales to know the real price.


Interesting read! I have two lenses from this series from that year the 28/2 and the 135/2. The numbers start with 175 and still have the chrome top.
They are well made and the 28 is quiet good. The 135 not so, but that is may be also because I have the 135/2 Canon FD and it is by far not in the same leaque.
But it is such a beautiful and big chunk of glass of 77 mm wide, I can't let it go.



Michiel


PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Scheimpflug wrote:
The Miranda 184x with your 966x I thought was pretty interesting. They do look extremely similar, but what caught me was the different serial number prefix. So if the codes are correct, then they are different manufacturers.. not what I would have guessed at first glance!


Though it is engraved Soligor, 184x wears all of the characteristics of the Miranda OEM lens. The serial number may also fall in with a Miranda series. Distance and depth of field engravings differ from my 966x lens as does the minimum aperture. It was probably easier to use existing Miranda parts to fill the order. I have seen another lens like my 966x in an auction. Same cosmetics but in Nikon F mount.


Scheimpflug wrote:
Also, I noticed you guessed Cosina twice... but Walter's list actually doesn't include Cosina (yet). Are there any Cosina characteristics to watch for in other auctions?


Just guessing based on time period. Nittoh (aka Komine) would be another guess, or they may be late Sun lenses.

Bill[/quote]


PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
ManualFocus-G wrote:
Remember that Soligor had some clout back in those days, and manufacturers would make lenses to the style demanded Wink


That's the part I know nothing about. Wink How did the arrangements work? Did Soligor design the optics and then contract out the production? Or did they purchase or license designs, or even just tell manufacturers how they wanted a lens to look? Question


PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Scheimpflug wrote:
That's the part I know nothing about. Wink How did the arrangements work? Did Soligor design the optics and then contract out the production? Or did they purchase or license designs, or even just tell manufacturers how they wanted a lens to look? Question


I think A.I.C. requested a specific look and suppliers were willing to cooperate if it meant getting the order or some extra money for the changes.

I doubt A.I.C. designed the optics. On the other hand, Ponder and Best bought several optical designs from an American designer and had them produced at Kino in Japan. These were the early Vivitar Series One lenses.

Bill


PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here is my version of (M42) Soligor 28mm





PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Welcome dfujevec! Thank you. Your version is the new #10; making now 18 versions. See http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1054364.html


PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I found a new code. Very Happy H4.

We need to find the 28 2.8 version so we can ad it to the 28 2.8 list.

Take a look at this lens and give me an opinion to maker. Top veiw looks like a Komine, but the bottom markings are totally different then Viisualopsins and my lens.




PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Link to the lens on Ebay. Click here to see on Ebay


PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Any ideas of the maker of the 35 2.8? I'd like to add it to my list.Anyone got one like it in any focal length?


PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Possibly Kawanon.

They also had the O<-.->C ring


PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
walter g wrote:
Any ideas of the maker of the 35 2.8? I'd like to add it to my list.Anyone got one like it in any focal length?


Here's his bigger brother Very Happy
http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-105mm-f2-8-preset-in-exakta-ke-t-mount-t26289.html


PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Three new ones?


Exakta T2
http://www.rockycameras.com/exakta-t2-soligor-28mm-28-prime-wide-lens-899-11731-p.asp




Miranda
http://www.rockycameras.com/miranda-fit-28mm-28-prime-wide-angle-lens-1499-10897-p.asp



And Walter, you will like this one:



Click here to see on Ebay

SN 89000430. You don't have anything listed in your Soligor Codes yet for 8. Wink Actually, not even a placeholder for 8. So I assume that 8-code Soligors are pretty rare?


PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Updated list

Soligor Codes

1 = Tokina
2 = Sun
3 = Sun
4 = Sun
5 = ???
6 = Komine
7 = Sun
8 = ???
9 = Kino
31 = ??? *
A = Komura #
H4 = Kawanon ? #
H5 = Komine #
H6 = Komine #
H7= Tokina #
H37 = Kawanon? #
M = ??? #
N = ??? #
R = ??? #
T = Tamron #

Code system. First number = Maker.
Second number = Decade
Third number = Year

*Six digit lens date code unknown.

# Letter code lens date code unknown.


..... DISCLAMER THIS IS A WORKING LIST......
..... IT MAY CHANGE AS NEW EVIDENCE IS FOUND.....

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I do like it. It's the first 8 code I've seen. I had know idea what series 8 would be in. Now the question is, is it a Sun made lens like some of the later CD lenses, or is it a Tokina made like some of the earlier CD lenses.
Or made by someone else?

I've moved the list to this page. I had been doing updates to it using the edit feature.

Another lens I've never seen is a 5 code lens. I added the placeholder for it.
Also that 9 code lens, I see very few of them come up.

Good job Exclamation Very Happy
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