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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:21 pm    Post subject: Soligor 1:2.8 f=28mm -- 21+ Versions Reply with quote

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DISCLAMER: THIS IS A WORKING LIST SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS NEW EVIDENCE IS FOUND
( last edited 2010-10-08 )

Soligor 1:2.8 f=28mm -- 21 Versions:

Name Ring Text, Manufacturer Mount Diaphragm Min-focus Filter:

SOLIGOR 1:2.8 f=28mm No.H6nnn LENS MADE IN JAPAN, Komine T2 Preset 0.45m 58mm
Soligor 1:2.8 f=28mm No.184nnn Lens Made in Japan, Kino Fixed 0.45m 52mm
Soligor Auto Wide 1:2.8 f=28mm No.966nnnn, Kino Fixed 0.45m 52mm
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm No.168nnnn-171nnnn, Tokina Fixed 0.45m 58mm
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm No.168nnnn-169nnnn, Tokina T4 0.45m 58mm
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 58 No.171nnnn-176nnnn, Tokina T4 0.3m 58mm
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 58 NO.171nnnnn-175nnnn, Tokina Fixed 0.3m 58mm
Soligor 1:2.8 f=28mm 52 No.974nnnn, ? ? ? 52mm
AUTO SOLIGOR 1:2.8 f=28mm 62 No.779nnn, Sun? Fixed 0.4m? 62mm (6-digit serial #)
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 62 No.276nnnnn, Sun T4 0.4m 62mm
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 62 No.276nnnnn-277nnnnn, Sun Fixed 0.4m 62mm
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 58 NO.177nnnnn, ? Fixed 0.3m 58mm
SOLIGOR EC WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 55 No.377nnnn, ? ? ? 55mm
MC SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 58 No.479nnnn, Sun? Fixed 0.4m? 58mm
SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO F:2.8 28mm 55 NO.281nnnn, ? ? ? 55mm
SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO F:2.8 28mm 49 NO.281nnnn, Sun? Fixed 0.4m 49mm
MC SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 49 No.283nnnnnn, ? Fixed 0.3m 49mm
MC SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 49 No.682nnnnnn, Sun? Fixed 0.3m? 49mm
MC SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 49 No.???nnnnn, ? Fixed Macro 0.3m 49mm?
MC SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 49 No.890nnnnn, ? ? ? 49mm
MC SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 49 No.992nnnn, Cosina? Fixed 0.3m 49mm

The first digit of H serial number codes specifies manufacturer.
Numeric serial first digit is manufacturer, second and third digits are year of manufacture.
See: Walter's List of Soligor Serial Number Codes


Left to right:
SOLIGOR 1:2.8 f=28mm No.H6nnn LENS MADE IN JAPAN, Komine T2 Preset 0.45m 58mm
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm No.168nnnn-171nnnn, Tokina Fixed 0.45m 58mm
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm No.168nnnn-169nnnn, Tokina T4 0.45m 58mm
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 58 No.171nnnn-176nnnn, Tokina T4 0.3m 58mm
SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 62 No.276nnnnn, Sun T4 0.4m 62mm






Soligor 1:2.8 f=28mm No.184nnn Lens Made in Japan, Kino Fixed 0.45m 52mm photo: aprobb (ebaY)






Soligor Auto Wide 1:2.8 f=28mm No.966nnnn, Kino Fixed 0.45m 52mm photo: casualcollector (MFl)





SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 58 NO.171nnnnn-175nnnn, Tokina Fixed 0.3m 58mm photos: Kathmandu (MFl)





Soligor 1:2.8 f=28mm 52 No.974nnnn, ? ? ? 52mm photos: eklecticsystems (ebaY)






AUTO SOLIGOR 1:2.8 f=28mm 62 No.779nnn, Sun? Fixed 0.4m? 62mm (6-digit serial #) photo: isaks (ebaY)




SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 62 No.276nnnnn-277nnnnn, Sun Fixed 0.4m 62mm photos: dfujevec (MFl)





MC SOLIGOR WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 58 No.479nnnn, Sun? Fixed 0.4m? 58mm photo: 9795mh (ebaY)




SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO F:2.8 28mm 55 NO.281nnnn, ? ? ? 55mm photos: procamerarepair (ebaY)






SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO F:2.8 28mm 49 NO.281nnnn, Sun? Fixed 0.4m 49mm photo: scheimpflug




MC SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 49 No.283nnnnnn-284nnnnnn, ? Fixed 0.3m 49mm photos: Danie M (www.bidorbuy.co.za)






MC SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 49 No.682nnnnnn, Sun? Fixed 0.3m? 49mm photos: 978michaeln (ebaY)





MC SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 49 No.???nnnnn, ? Fixed Macro 0.3m 49mm? photo: isaks (ebaY)




MC SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 49 No.992nnnn, Cosina? Fixed 0.3m 49mm photo: bernhard4319 (ebaY)




Soligor 1:2.8 f=28mm 52 No.974nnnn, ? T2 ? 52mm photo: rockycameras.com




SOLIGOR EC WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 55 No.377nnnn, ? Fixed ? 55mm photo: rockycameras.com




MC SOLIGOR C/D WIDE-AUTO 1:2.8 f=28mm 49 No.890nnnnn, ? ? ? 49mm photo: hit-camera-ltd (ebaY)



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 4th generation, serial# 17551258, fixed Nikon base, and a nice bit of work it is, too. I force-fit it onto my Pentax K20D with no problem, but I am thinking of grinding qway the lower 1mm or so of the aperture ring, for a better fit. I got it about 2 years ago with a batch of other Nikon glass -- it cost an entire US$9, including shipping. But I've just recently started using Nikon glass on my Pentax, so I haven't yet done a shootout against my SMC-M 28/2.8.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the fixed NI mount 175xxxxx have 58mm or 62mm filter size? And is closest focus 0.3m or 0.4m? If 58mm, egads, are there SIX versions?


PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I reckon the first one is Komine, 2nd not sure, next 2 are Tokina and the last one (right) is a Sun made lens Smile


PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ManualFocus-G wrote:
OK, I reckon the first one is Komine, 2nd not sure, next 2 are Tokina and the last one (right) is a Sun made lens Smile


2nd is Tokina also. If the last one is Sun, and it looks like it, The Soligor codes are:

Soligor Codes

6 = Komine
16 = Tokina
17 = Tokina
27 = Sun
37 = Kawanon ?
38 = Sun

Please add to or correct.


visualopsins,
I have the first style, but I haven't tested it yet.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ManualFocus-G -- Thank you!

@walter g -- I think the first 3 numbers are significant because 171xxxxx is T4 mount and:

There does appear to be at least a sixth version. In this thread 3rd post serial #173xxxxx with 58mm filter size has a fixed mount.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a T4 serial 17661619 that looks like a cross between #3 and #4 on the top row.......0.3 the closest focus and the Black M switch.It just dawned on me the mount is probably different than the original??


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

walter g wrote:
2nd is Tokina also. If the last one is Sun, and it looks like it, The Soligor codes are:

Soligor Codes

6 = Komine
16 = Tokina
17 = Tokina
27 = Sun
37 = Kawanon ?
38 = Sun

Please add to or correct.


Walter, I've been trying to decode Soligor serials off and on for years. How did you arrive at your conclusion? The lens attributed to Sun is a connection I've never thought of.

Is it possible that...
H = Komine
1 = Tokina
2 = Sun
...and the next two are year of manufacture?

Great thread!

Bill


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

casualcollector wrote:
walter g wrote:
2nd is Tokina also. If the last one is Sun, and it looks like it, The Soligor codes are:

Soligor Codes

6 = Komine
16 = Tokina
17 = Tokina
27 = Sun
37 = Kawanon ?
38 = Sun

Please add to or correct.


Walter, I've been trying to decode Soligor serials off and on for years. How did you arrive at your conclusion? The lens attributed to Sun is a connection I've never thought of.

Is it possible that...
H = Komine
1 = Tokina
2 = Sun
...and the next two are year of manufacture?

Great thread!

Bill



I'm interested in both Sun lenses, and Soligor lenses, besides others. This is a pet project. I read every post that comes up on Soligor or Sun on multiple forums. I also read the old posts, and study lenses that are posted on Ebay.

First H is not Komine. I have a H code lens that is definately not made by Komine.
I don't know what the H means, but it was used by Soligor, Vemar, and Sun. I have seen examples of each.

1= Tokina. That is very possible. The popular opinion is it was a 2 digit code. 16 and 17. I will do more reaserch to try to prove or disprove it.
2= Sun, again possible. More reaserch required.

About the year of man. Dosen't work out on the lenses I own. But whether they changed dating methods thru production is possible.

They did use some 2 digit codes. I'm sure 38 is one of the Sun Codes.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mo. I see now the Tokinas do have T4 mounts not Vivitar's TX.

I think casualcollector has the manufacturer and date coding scheme Soligor used.

We need a 170xxxxx lens to see if Tokina changed, including optics given the different close focus distances, the design in 1970 or 1971 which persisted until 1976, the same year manufacturer switched to Sun.

Should be interesting to see differences in performance between the two Tokina versions! Very Happy

More confirmation of the coding scheme, I also have 2.8/35 serial 171xxxxx, and 2.8/24 serial 172xxxxx, both with T4-mount. These Soligor serial numbers indicate both are Tokinas, from 1971 and 1972 respectively. Cool

Further investigation shows the same serial coding on some Soligor T4 Zooms. I'll show these in another thread later.

@walter g -- my Vemar presets 2.8/35 and 4.5/200 both have serial numbers beginning with 'H'. None of my Suns.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just looking at a bunch of lenses on Ebay. The dating system does not work on H code lenses or N code lenses. But id does seem to work on most of the lenses I looked at, but not all.

That would change the Code numbers to:
Soligor Codes

1 = Tokina
2 = Sun
3 = Sun
6 = Komine
H6 = Komine
H37 = Kawanon?


visualopsins, Sorry I wasn't trying to highjack your thread.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

walter g wrote:
... Sorry I wasn't trying to highjack your thread.


You mean our thread, everybody who posts Wink I think it's very cool we're rediscovering the manufacturer numbering schemes here. Very Happy


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you have got it indeed. Good work !

I'll catalog my Soligor serial numbers and add what I have.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of my Soligors -

55-135 T4 - 171xxxxx
400/6.3 T4 - 171xxxxx
250/4.5 T4 - 171xxxxx
24/2.8 T4 - 172xxxxx
35/2.8 T4 - 167xxxx (note:7 instead of 8 digits)
28/2.8 T4 - 168xxxx
21/3.8 T4 - 176xxxxx

250/4.5 T - H32xxx

ALL my Tamron-made (or look like early Tamrons) Soligors start with T-


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
There does appear to be at least a sixth version. In this thread 3rd post serial #173xxxxx with 58mm filter size has a fixed mount.


Indeed, there is one style which seems to "jump" the serial number sequence. From the post you linked:

Kathmandu wrote:
Here is my other copy which has been good performer.



... and here is mine, which was originally a fixed Canon FL mount:







The construction of these lenses appears to be identical to your #2 (168 serial number prefix), but mine is a 171xxxxx, and Kathmandu's is a 173xxxxx. So by SN, our two lenses would seem to fit on both sides of your fourth lens (171 SN prefix)? The "58mm" filter thread marking on the name ring is also present in both of these lenses, and starts in the fourth lens in your set, with lower SNs not having a marking.

The change from yellow to green for the "feet" scale on the focusing ring might also be a clue. Your 168 is yellow, my 171 is yellow, Kathmandu's 173 is green, mo's 176 is green, and Kathmandu's 276 is green. I can't quite make out the colors of your right three lenses - do they fit this trend?


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
Does the fixed NI mount 175xxxxx have 58mm or 62mm filter size? And is closest focus 0.3m or 0.4m? If 58mm, egads, are there SIX versions?

Sorry for the delay. It's 0.3m close focus, 58mm thread, 8 non-rounded iris blades, aperture range 2.8-16, weighs 270g, no M/A switch. I can't keep up with all the versions.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely work on Soligor codes. 17 definetly Tokina.

Here is my addition:

Sadly i have misplaced my Tokinas - they are just like first 8 from the left (27... excluded). Then there are similar models on right. Porst the same as Berolina (though without Minolta stick). Yashikor, Upsilon, Sigma very similar.






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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luisalegria wrote:
Some of my Soligors -

55-135 T4 - 171xxxxx
400/6.3 T4 - 171xxxxx
250/4.5 T4 - 171xxxxx
24/2.8 T4 - 172xxxxx
35/2.8 T4 - 167xxxx (note:7 instead of 8 digits)
28/2.8 T4 - 168xxxx
21/3.8 T4 - 176xxxxx

250/4.5 T - H32xxx

ALL my Tamron-made (or look like early Tamrons) Soligors start with T-


105/2.8 T4 - 169xxxx - this is consistent with the above series... so if the 2nd and 3rd digits are the year, what happened in 1970, did we go to 8 digits?


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

walter g wrote:

I'm interested in both Sun lenses, and Soligor lenses, besides others. This is a pet project. I read every post that comes up on Soligor or Sun on multiple forums. I also read the old posts, and study lenses that are posted on Ebay.

First H is not Komine. I have a H code lens that is definately not made by Komine.
I don't know what the H means, but it was used by Soligor, Vemar, and Sun. I have seen examples of each.

1= Tokina. That is very possible. The popular opinion is it was a 2 digit code. 16 and 17. I will do more reaserch to try to prove or disprove it.
2= Sun, again possible. More reaserch required.

About the year of man. Dosen't work out on the lenses I own. But whether they changed dating methods thru production is possible.

They did use some 2 digit codes. I'm sure 38 is one of the Sun Codes.


Several years ago I saved images of Soligors from online auctions in the same pursuit as you. I have a file of about 250 images, almost all with serials. I have similar files for Vivitar and other brand lenses. I went back and reviewed them after my previous post. My revised opinions on the serials.

H = Tokina. It appears on many non Soligor lenses with Tokina characteristics.
16 = Tokina
17 = Tokina
27 = Sun

I'm going to back away from my statement that positions two and three are year of manufacture but not completely abandon it!


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consolidating here information obtained so far.

Threads:

http://forum.mflenses.com/what-make-is-this-soligor-lens-t30444.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-12-8-f28mm-five-generations-t30866.html (this thread)

Listing of 2.8/28 Soligor examples:

mount, serial # prefix, closest focus distance, diaphragm operation, color of distance scale in feet, owner

T2, 'H68', 0.45m, preset, org (visualopsins)

CS, '168', 0.45m, auto, yel (visualopsins)

T4, '168', ????m, ????, ??? (luisalgeria)
T4, '169', 0.45m, auto, grn (visualopsins)
T4, '171', 0.3m, auto, grn (visualosins)
T4, '171', 0.3m, auto, grn (Pancolart)
T4, '175', 0.3m, auto, ??? (RioRico)
T4, '176', 0.3m, auto, grn (Mo)

FL, '171', 0.3m, auto, yel (Scheimpflug)
42, '17?', 0.3m, auto, yel (Pancolart)
42, '173', 0.3m, auto, grn (Kathmandu)

NI, '276', 0.4m, auto, grn (visualopsins)
42, '276', 0.4m, auto, grn (Kathmandu)
PK, '277', ???m, auto, grn (Pancolart)

Looks like begining in 1971 (maybe 1970) Soligor sold 0.3m closest-focus both T4 Tokinas & fixed-mount Komines(?), i.e. lenses from 2(?) manufacturers.

We have discovered the first number/letter of serial indicates manufacturer, the next two digits are year 19xx of manufacture; does this also indicate T4 & fixed-mount 1nn lenses are both Tokina?

@Pancolart, need serial # of top left soligor, and is bottom left lens a soligor? (And I thought I had LBA Smile)


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jup, both are Soligors, upper left also 17... Lower left has FL mount (others on left side M42). Missing 27... mount is Pentax PK but scale color green not yellow.

LBA, yes Smile just finishing new wardrobes to store little addictive glass.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG... you guys are terrible! Laughing
15 lenses of the same model. Surprised


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Added mine to the list.


Listing of 2.8/28 Soligor examples:

mount, serial # prefix, closest focus distance, diaphragm operation, color of distance scale in feet, owner

T2, 'H63', 0.45m, preset, org (walter g)

T2, 'H68', 0.45m, preset, org (visualopsins)

CS, '168', 0.45m, auto, yel (visualopsins)

T4, '168', ????m, ????, ??? (luisalgeria)
T4, '169', 0.45m, auto, grn (visualopsins)
T4, '171', 0.3m, auto, grn (visualosins)
T4, '171', 0.3m, auto, grn (Pancolart)
T4, '175', 0.3m, auto, ??? (RioRico)
T4, '176', 0.3m, auto, grn (Mo)

FL, '171', 0.3m, auto, yel (Scheimpflug)
42, '17?', 0.3m, auto, yel (Pancolart)
42, '173', 0.3m, auto, grn (Kathmandu)

NI, '276', 0.4m, auto, grn (visualopsins)
42, '276', 0.4m, auto, grn (Kathmandu)
PK, '277', ???m, auto, grn (Pancolart)

Looks like begining in 1971 (maybe 1970) Soligor sold 0.3m closest-focus both T4 Tokinas & fixed-mount Komines(?), i.e. lenses from 2(?) manufacturers.

We have discovered the first number/letter of serial indicates manufacturer, the next two digits are year 19xx of manufacture; does this also indicate T4 & fixed-mount 1nn lenses are both Tokina?


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Soligor 135mm 2.8, lower case writing with stylised 'g', T4 mount. Serial number M1639**. Made in Japan.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the 5 lenses shown in the first post, I reckon there's gotta be at least one more. Probably very similar to the far right one, but with the Soligor-patterned rubberized grip.