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Scheimpflug
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 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: Blackbird Fly 35mm TLR (Lomo / toy) |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
I stumbled across this today and thought you folks would get a kick out of it. 
It's called the "Blackbird Fly", and it is a small plastic TLR which uses 35mm film for cheaper (and more convenient) processing. It's being marketed toward the "Lomo" crowd. Prices are around US $120.
Specifications:
• Colors: a whole bunch
• Lens: f7 33mm
• Shutter speed: 1/125 & Bulb
• Aperture: f7 (cloudy) f11 (sunny)
• Focus: Visual distance estimated measurement (0.8/1.5/2/2.5/3/4/5/10/∞)
• Weight: Body/210g., Case/ 130g.
• Film type: 135 (35mm) film
• Camera type: 35mm twin lens reflex
• Formats: Normal (24x36mm), Square (24x24mm), Full (36x36mm - covers sprockets)
• Can take multiple exposures
• optional flash
More information:
http://blackbirdflycamera.com/
http://www.superheadz.com/bbf/
http://www.japantrendshop.com/blackbird-fly-tlr-camera-p-366.html
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
I like it so much !!!
Very much!
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fish4570
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fish4570 wrote:
I think the blackbird fly is very cute, but at $120,  that is no "toy" price when first class used 35mm slr bodies and lenses can be had for same.
Make the price $12, then it is a toy ...
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Jieffe
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Jieffe wrote:
For half that price, you can grab a Lubitel and some film.
While also labelled "Lomography", the Lubi has at least decent lens, aperture and speed selection. And some have even modded it to take 35mm film ! |
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walter g
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walter g wrote:
I think the Holga's are pretty cool. Plastic toy camera. But the prices are reasonable. Medium format 120 camera is around $25, and the TLR is around $50.
They are getting very popular "cult status". Plus people are modding these cameras.
I have one on my to buy list. Man, that list is getting long. 
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| fish4570 wrote: |
I think the blackbird fly is very cute, but at $120, that is no "toy" price when first class used 35mm slr bodies and lenses can be had for same.
Make the price $12, then it is a toy ... |
+1
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Seele
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
It could be a fad thing: it's supposed to be cool to use cheap (and crappy) cameras to take pictures, so much so they are willing to pay heaps of money for them. |
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themoleman342
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
I applaud anything that will get people buying more film. And since lomography is marketed towards a younger crowd, maybe us film-users will have a few more years before it becomes entirely impractical. |
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walter g
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walter g wrote:
The Holga pricing above is with shipping. Check out this site selling modified Holga's.
http://www.holgamods.com/
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| themoleman342 wrote: |
| I applaud anything that will get people buying more film. And since lomography is marketed towards a younger crowd, maybe us film-users will have a few more years before it becomes entirely impractical. |
+1
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Seele
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
Certainly they would get people to use film, but they also give the novices the idea that film give terrible image quality as well! |
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| Seele wrote: |
| Certainly they would get people to use film, but they also give the novices the idea that film give terrible image quality as well! |
+1 too. But who like Holga those people have serious eye issues
so no matter
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Scheimpflug
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| fish4570 wrote: |
I think the blackbird fly is very cute, but at $120, that is no "toy" price when first class used 35mm slr bodies and lenses can be had for same.
Make the price $12, then it is a toy ... |
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That is truly an apples to oranges comparison.
The Blackbird Fly is lighter, smaller, and as a TLR is a completely different style of shooting. Other than the common fact that they both take pictures, neither is really a substitute for the other.
| Jieffe wrote: |
For half that price, you can grab a Lubitel and some film.
While also labelled "Lomography", the Lubi has at least decent lens, aperture and speed selection. And some have even modded it to take 35mm film ! |
Interesting, I had never heard of the Lubi. It looks like with the 35mm conversions, the film must be taken out of the camera and manually rewound into the canister (all in a dark bag)... have you seen any conversions that are more user friendly?
| walter g wrote: |
The Holga pricing above is with shipping. Check out this site selling modified Holga's.
http://www.holgamods.com/ |
Looks like the modified Holgas also require a dark bag & manual film rewinding...
| Seele wrote: |
| Certainly they would get people to use film, but they also give the novices the idea that film give terrible image quality as well! |
I doubt it... Most people only buy the Lomo cameras because they are after a specific look that they have seen and liked. That look is popular, so the subjective "terrible image quality" that we see doesn't really apply.
For young people now, disposable cameras make up the bulk of their experience with film, not Lomo. And the medium quality disposables coupled with poor processing and miserable scans likely has much much more to do with film's poor reputation with young people than anything else.
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aniramca wrote:
What about reviving the Kodak Brownie for the 2012 Olympics
http://www.yankodesign.com/2010/04/12/kodak-brownie-revived-for-the-2012-olympics/ |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Truly awful looking cameras. I might buy one, in pink.
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Jieffe
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Jieffe wrote:
| Scheimpflug wrote: |
Interesting, I had never heard of the Lubi. It looks like with the 35mm conversions, the film must be taken out of the camera and manually rewound into the canister (all in a dark bag)... have you seen any conversions that are more user friendly?
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The mod with a rewind crank is mentionned in one of Flickr's forum but the pictures are gone (user deleted).
I remember my Photosniper kit came with 2 re-usable 35mm canisters. Maybe they can be used as take-up spool and avoid the changing bag/darkroom annoyance ? |
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Minolfan wrote:
Design for the Kodak looks funny, but should be rejected. There is no film in it!!! |
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womble wrote:
| Jieffe wrote: |
For half that price, you can grab a Lubitel and some film.
While also labelled "Lomography", the Lubi has at least decent lens, aperture and speed selection. And some have even modded it to take 35mm film ! |
I was given a Lubitel 2 so I thought I'd run one film through it expecting the Lomo style soft images and vignetting. None of it! But is does have a light leak  My guess is the red film number hole and rotten foam light seals are the culprits. I am taking it and two rolls of film to the US with me tomorrow to play some more.
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Blackbird Fly 35mm TLR (Lomo / toy) |
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Farside wrote:
I'm getting a "WMF Exploit" warning from that pic link.
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Scheimpflug
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Blackbird Fly 35mm TLR (Lomo / toy) |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
| Farside wrote: |
| I'm getting a "WMF Exploit" warning from that pic link. |
Good to know!
I've removed the image from the first post, so feel free to remove the link from yours.
What software of yours found this, by the way? Did the browser give you the warning?
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Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
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Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
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