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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:01 am    Post subject: 120 rollfilm ww2 Reply with quote
Hi folks

I bought this the other day, old film fascinates me but what is really interesting about this roll is when it was made - August 1939.

What is special about August 1939?

Well, in September 1939 the panzers rolled into Poland and WWII began.

So this roll of film must have been exported from Germany right before the outbreak of hostilities, quite possibly this is one of the last rolls of film to leave pre-war Germany?

Very similar to a modern 120 film, only difference is the wooden spool and the paper outer on the foil wrapper.

I'm going to shoot this film, just deciding what camera, probably my Ensign Selfix 220 or maybe my Zeiss Nettar. I do have a pre-war Nagel 6x9 but it needs a repair to the red window.







PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
How about calling that "WWII area"? We're not having a sensitive day today haven't we... Wink


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is that a wooden spool?


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
german film - german camera - german developer - german photopaper.. Wink Smile


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a film from 1945 I keep it untouched, due I don't think so for not so good result , good idea to ruin a museum value roll.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
21 DIN must have been a pretty fast film speed for pre WW2. personally I would keep rather than take the chance on it producing lousy images!


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Be careful with very old film, as it might go into spontaneous combustion. Store it in a cool ventilated place.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
How about calling that "WWII area"? We're not having a sensitive day today haven't we... Wink


Oh, please accept my most profound aplogies Klaus, I was completely unaware of any offence I might have caused. If the film had been from the 20s I would have used the word 'Weimar', because it is from the 30s I used the term of the ruling system at that time which is common practice in the UK, for instance the History Channel recently ran a 'N*** documentary weekend' where they showcased the works of Leni Riefenstahl, the photography of Signal magazine etc.

So I was unaware of the sensitivity of the term and therefore blundered, for this I am offering my heartfelt apologies, offence was the last thing on my mind.

I will rethink what I am going to do with this film, perhaps my first step should be to email Agfa?


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ludoo wrote:
Be careful with very old film, as it might go into spontaneous combustion. Store it in a cool ventilated place.


Isn't that only acetate-based film? I don't think this roll is that old?


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
bazza59 wrote:
21 DIN must have been a pretty fast film speed for pre WW2. personally I would keep rather than take the chance on it producing lousy images!


21 DIN is 100ASA, right? I thought 100ASA emulsion was quite common back then, I have to admit I know nothing about old film, I have seen a few 50ASA rolls of British film before from the 30s.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
These films are can be fragile , best to left them in genuine stage. I did put 30 yrs old Fortepan film to freezer and take out some rolls and I did sent one to my friend Bill (Katastropho) it was fragile Embarassed he couldn't use it Crying or Very sad


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have put my Agfa film in a plastic box in the fridge, I doubt it was ever stored properly, probably just found in a drawer so I expect, as you say, it won't be useable.

Nice collector's piece though.

I have plenty more modern 120 film to use, I can just admire the beauty of this Agfa...


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
I have a film from 1945 I keep it untouched, due I don't think so for not so good result , good idea to ruin a museum value roll.

This decision is a battle for me as well. Neutral

Most of my film I can clearly separate into two groups: One group to use, another group to keep for display. For films which are undecided, I will sometimes use them, but also keep the box and/or cassette/spool for display.

Sometimes the decision is easy - the film will be too old to reasonably expect a good result, or too specialized for my purposes. ("extra red sensitive ISO-50 slide film color balanced for underwater use with filtered flash? How am I going to use THAT??? Onto the display shelf it goes!") Where it gets much more difficult is when you get to obsolete film formats. For example, I've recently been trying to track down some 116 and 616 film. Both were discontinued in 1984, so *any* film you find is going to be at least 27 years old! Shocked Would I use a roll of 116 from 1899? Absolutely not. Would I use a roll from 1965? Probably yes, because that might be all that you can get.

Many film formats, perhaps a dozen or more, were discontinued right around WWII. So in order to use some of these old cameras, you often have little choice. Neutral Luckily though, with 120 film, you do still have plenty of other options. Wink


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oldest one what I did try.

http://forum.mflenses.com/long-time-expired-fortepan-80-bessa-ii-color-skopar-t40232.html

It shows to me no reason to ruin any old rare film, it will be not reach any new film quality for sure.

Oldest type film what I did try was a 127 camera , thanks for forum a nice member bought it to me in Croatia and send it to me. Result was pretty disappointment , result was crap . I have one more roll I will try it out more carefully next time.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Good luck on the hunt for 116 film! 7x12cm, so can't respool 120. In england and the empire it was called 2 1/2 rather than 116 (120 was called 2 1/4) to denote it's width (2.5 inches).

If I see any of that film I will grab it for you.

On that extra red sensitive film, you can most certainly use that.

In the last hour or so before the sun disappears the light is very strong in red around the 660nm wavelength, this is also true for the first hour or so after the sun breaks the horizon in the morning.

After sunset the moonlight is actually strong in far-red in the 730-740nm band.

If you can find out what part of the red/far-red spectrum your film is sensitised for then you can work out if it would be perhaps interesting to shoot it just before sunset?

I might shoot this Agfa film in the end to satisfy my curiosity, I will keep the box, pamphlet, spoot etc and rewind the paper backing onto it after use so I still have a nice display item.

I am thinking a subject from 1939/40 would be the perfect subject to use this film on. Perhaps I will attend one of the many WW2 re-enactment events this summer and pretend I'm a Signal reporter with my Nagel 6x9 and this Agfa film. A picture of guys running round dressed up as soldiers with a Panzer or two with period film and period camera would be interesting I think although I expect the shots for Signal were done on 35mm with lovely Leicas and Contaxes.



I must point out, I'm not at all interested in any of the political background to the events of the 39-45 period, I'm just interested in revisiting the time when my film and camera were made and it just so happens that in that period, photographs were almost all of a war themed nature and I'm looking at German subjects as the camera and film are German. If I had an Olympic Sonnar I'd be interested in shooting athletes with it, I'm just a history buff, no politics involved, I assure you!


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Oldest one what I did try.

http://forum.mflenses.com/long-time-expired-fortepan-80-bessa-ii-color-skopar-t40232.html

It shows to me no reason to ruin any old rare film, it will be not reach any new film quality for sure.


That's a great result for 35+ year old film! I'd be happy with that for sure! Cool

I think with the really old films, you can't compare them to fresh modern film. It is the defects and imperfections of the old film that gives it the character. Cool


PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I agree, I've looked at a lot of old pictures and many have flaws, light leaks and fogging are very common, focus was often vague to say the least.

Problem with old cameras is they require skill to get the best results from, that is why things like AE and AF became do important - most people who own a camera just want to point and shoot and if you do that with an old folder, you won't get great results.


PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
People buy Holga's to get results like that old film, but it's interesting to try these things.

Ian, the Severn Valley Railway do a 1940's weekend when people dress up, period cars are displayed, and there's always a big 'military' turnout. A few years ago there was a German attack on a train !


PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lloydy wrote:


Ian, the Severn Valley Railway do a 1940's weekend when people dress up, period cars are displayed, and there's always a big 'military' turnout. A few years ago there was a German attack on a train !

There was a visiting bunch of re-enactors over here a couple of years ago.


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/1253aagunfiringdeblurre.jpg/


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/germanmortarteamdeblur2.jpg/


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/mortarteamdeblur2pix.jpg/
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