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Scheimpflug
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:26 pm Post subject: Unusual Optical Fixture? |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts as to the original purpose of this fixture?
It has one huge lens element and one small lens element, both on a long set of sliding tracks. There is a geared knob which will move the small lens over a very small range, and the small and large lenses are linked together such that they both move together (but at different rates). The whole assembly is very heavy (16 lbs / 7.25 kg) and extremely sturdy. At the end, there is a universal iris diaphragm, a metal plate with a medium-sized circular hole, and then a pair of two moveable bars which open/close on parallel tracks behind it. Everything is lever operated, spring loaded, etc, and built like it would be used frequently.
Any thoughts on what this fixture might have been used for? _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3215 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
I'm curious too. _________________ Moderator Himself |
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
I've made a thread over at APUG to get this in front of a few more eyes. We'll see if anyone over there recognizes its purpose.
http://www.apug.org/forums/forum147/97341-unusual-optical-fixture.html _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Well, I put my Googling skills to good use (I hope). But I'm almost 100% sure that this was part of an optical bench, which was used to experiment with optics. Just do a Google image search on "optical bench" and you'll see that I'm right _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
The iris looks rather burnt, so I would guess it was once part of some special illumination system (two condensor lenses, one big, one small) and behind is an adjustable slit, so maybe that was for some optical experiments (school, university) on optics? _________________ Klaus - Admin
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
Mystery solved on the APUG thread. It's from a carbon arc theater spotlight. Klaus, you were very close!
I've done a bunch of searching based on this, and I'm thinking this assembly may be from a "Strong" brand carbon arc spotlight:
(image from: http://blog.huntingtontheatre.org/2008/09/strong-carbon-arc-spotlight.html)
It has the same red knobs, in the same locations, and with the same knurled adjustment knob as well. _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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David
Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 1869 Location: Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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David wrote:
Time to see if it can direct light the other way, too. Tape a camera behind that aperture and see what you get! _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/hancockDavidM |
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Scheimpflug
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:29 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
David wrote: |
Time to see if it can direct light the other way, too. Tape a camera behind that aperture and see what you get! |
Absolutely. Any guesses as to the focal length? I'm predicting a lot of flare from the open-chassis design.
I bought this assembly purely for the universal iris diaphragm... you might recognize them from this thread:
http://forum.mflenses.com/universal-diaphragm-lens-holder-the-ultimate-weapon-t4403.html
But of course, I can't let these other parts go to waste! _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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David
Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 1869 Location: Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: |
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David wrote:
I remember that thread. So when you put a lens in the diaphragm and tighten it, does it clamp well enough to allow lens focusing? Will the iris wear our over time from clamping down on lens mounts? _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/hancockDavidM |
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Scheimpflug
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
I think generally people use them with non-focusing lenses (enlarger, medium/large format, etc), and then focus them with bellows... But the iris seems reasonably durable. I wouldn't mount anything *too* heavy in it, but it seems fine otherwise. It's really just a catch-all device for the unusual lenses... not something to use every day. Time will tell how well it holds up. _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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Scheimpflug
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
A bit more info:
The small lens is biconvex, and measures about 2 inches / 50mm in diameter.
The huge lens is plano-convex, and measures about 7 inches / 175mm in diameter.
I don't have any infinitely long rooms in my house, so I can't measure the infinity focus just yet. But focusing on a light source about 14 feet / 4.25 meters away, the small lens focuses at around 60mm, and the huge lens focuses at around 15 inches / 380mm.
Together in the fixture, the assembly focuses pretty much right at the aperture. The aperture is on a fixed (welded) bracket, so mounting a camera will be difficult. Holding a sheet of paper over the aperture though, I can focus an image pretty easily. The zoom range is quite large, but the combined focal length actually isn't that long, even at the far end. Certainly less than the 300mm lens I have handy to compare it to. I will have to make some more precise measurements to figure it out for sure. _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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