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I have been experimenting with vintage lenses for some time now. The problem is always to find a way to adapt those exotic mounts to our modern cameras and to provide some back and forth movement to allow focusing. Here is my latest contraption for this purpose. It is basically an iris lens holder (also called universal diaphragm lens holder) mounted in front of a Russian PZF bellows:
The iris lens holder is able to accommodate any lens in any mount up to a diameter of 56mm (there are bigger holders with a capacity of 78mm, but they won't fit on a macro bellows). The diaphragm opening destined to hold the lens mount is controlled with the help of two knobs. The one on the right is to adjust the diameter and the one on the left is to lock the opening once the correct diameter has been selected:
Here it is holding an old 58/2.4 Takumar lens:
With a lens designed for a 35mm camera, it is not possible to focus to infinity, because the lens is too far from the image plane. The only exceptions would be the Leica lenses designed to be used on the Visoflex. Of course, I won't use this device for small format lenses, but to mount all those lenses from the old 6.5x9cm, 9x12cm, 4x5in., 5x7in. or 8x10 in. cameras, either barrel lenses designed to be used on view cameras or lenses in shutter usually found on folding cameras. As for the bellows' maximum extension, at 300mm it should prove enough for most lenses:
Now, let's dig some old lenses from the attic....
Cheers!
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LucisPictor wrote:
Wow, that's great! I would love to have such a thing.
I am really looking forward to seeing your results...
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Such a monster! Great!
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Abbazz, you're not aiming that at the earth are you? Zut alors! 
I, too, look forward to your results! 
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Genial Abbazz
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| Dont let the US Administration see it or it will be defined as a WMD (weapon of mass destruction) and you will be invaded. patrickh |
You wouldn't be talking about the "Christians in Action" (CIA) would
you? Patrochka, you're one of us now: you've been assimilated
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Dont let the US Administration see it or it will be defined as a WMD (weapon of mass destruction) and you will be invaded.
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No, just tell them you're a member of the NRA and everything is fine... 
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Orio wrote:
I am not sure to understand how you do secure lenses with different mounts onto this iris lens holder.
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| I am not sure to understand how you do secure lenses with different mounts onto this iris lens holder. |
First, the iris diaphragm is opened wide by turning clockwise the knob on the right of the lens holder. Then the lens is inserted into the diaphragm opening, the diameter of the diaphragm is reduced by turning the knob on the right until the lens is held tightly enough and the diaphragm is locked in position by turning clockwise the knob on the left. The grip is sufficient to hold a few hundred grams, but I wouldn't try to mount a 5 kilograms super telephoto lens without adequate support.
Cheers!
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Orio wrote:
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First, the iris diaphragm is opened wide by turning clockwise the knob on the right of the lens holder. Then the lens is inserted into the diaphragm opening, the diameter of the diaphragm is reduced by turning the knob on the right until the lens is held tightly enough and the diaphragm is locked in position by turning clockwise the knob on the left. The grip is sufficient to hold a few hundred grams, but I wouldn't try to mount a 5 kilograms super telephoto lens without adequate support. |
Interesting!
Where did you find this tool and what keywords should I use to find one on Ebay?
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Interesting!
Where did you find this tool and what keywords should I use to find one on Ebay? |
Orio, the most common name seems to be "universal iris lens holder". But you may have to look for "iris holder," "diaphragm holder," "lens clamp," "iris clamp mount," "universal lens clamp," "lens chuck," or any combination of the aforementioned words you can think of. The problem is that many sellers on eBay don't know what they sell, so these things are often offered as "non working shutters"
Here are some threads about these lens holders:
http://www.apug.org/forums/forum44/37780-name-source-iris-mount-barrel-lenses.html
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?p=301643&highlight=iris+lens+holder#post301643
Glennview in Chicago used to stock these items (I bought mine from them), but now it seems they have only parts available: http://www.glennview.com/vcamacc.htm
Cheers!
Abbazz
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Bumping this ancient topic because I found it interesting. The link Abbazz gives for the source of these clamps is still live and alas nearly 7 years later he is still out of stock. Does anyone know of similar?
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luisalegria wrote:
I have occasionally spotted them on ebay.
They seem to quickly attract attention and they go for more than I have wanted to pay - $100+
Its more of a convenience than a necessity though, as there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Alternatives that works pretty well on standard bellows for the DIY person is a combo of drilled plastic body caps as "lens boards", T-mounts with inner rings removed +drilled and tapped screw holes for longer screws, M42 extension tubes (for press fit of barrel lenses, and, the king of all workaround systems, the mighty 1950's Multiscope bellows -
http://www.photocamera.com/pictures/1004/Picture%20264.jpg
This thing takes proper lensboards and "camera boards". Of course one would have to make these, but wooden/fiberboard/plastic ones are quite easy to make. The camera side could be made from a body cap+short extension tube I would think.
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I've been after one of these for a while, but the one that appeared on ebay on a Sinar board last week went for a pretty penny.
I want it to put on a board for my 5x7 camera as I have loads of barrel lenses and I don't have flanges for all of them.
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They seem to be pretty prices as I wanted one for myself. I would ask on the LF board, these are the people that mostly have such rare stuff. http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?27-For-Sale-Wanted
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I'm a member there and post quite often, thanks for the tip.
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pd1987 wrote:
That's a great idea!
I'm having my M42 bellows > M4/3 adaptor done. I asked one man to machine me a special piece to bring front plane (with lens) closer to Lumix G2. I'm also planning to change bellows material a bit to get even closer and result in universal lens holder with easy zooming
If I succeeded I'd show you! Thanks for a tip!
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philslizzy wrote:
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That's a great idea!
I'm having my M42 bellows > M4/3 adaptor done. I asked one man to machine me a special piece to bring front plane (with lens) closer to Lumix G2. .... Thanks for a tip! |
I achieved the same result for my NEX by using a 49mm reversing ring and the m42 threaded ring from a T-mount glued inside it. Its a perfect fit and probably cheaper if anyone else wants to do it. heres my macro setup with M42 bellows
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kds315* wrote:
great, but has nothing to do with the question of the original poster, right?
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Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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philslizzy wrote:
I totally agree, but posts do have a habit of going off topic once in a while.
I bumped it to see if anyone has an idea where I may get one of these adapters or to see if an alternative was available
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kds315* wrote:
Funny enough I have or had one of those sturdy and heavy universal diaphragm holders, as I always wanted to make a similar contraption that was shown above - just never made it to that....
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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