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BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:51 am Post subject: Lenses vivissection - sissies beware! :-) |
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BRunner wrote:
Some of the lenses I have disassembled, cleaned and relubed...
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Wow.
There must be a reason you haven't put the "after" pictures here. Or those are already the "after" pictures? _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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hexi
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
Impressive ! if i had the tools and especially the patience to do this ... but i prefer watching your pix
anyway, congrats on doing this. _________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
DSLR > Canon 5D
Lenses : C/Y Planar 1.4/50 - Distagon 2.8/35 - Planar 1.4/85
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
Put them in an aquarium : fishes will have photographic wrecks _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
You make it look so easy!...did they go back together?? _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Putting back aperture blades into order can be a pain in the ... .
Did you succeed? _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
Things ON SALE
Carsten = "KAPCTEH" = "Karusutenu" | T-shirt?.........................My photos from Emilia: http://www.schouler.net/emilia/emilia2011.html
My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
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BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
There must be a reason you haven't put the "after" pictures here. Or those are already the "after" pictures? |
The reason is simple, everybody knows how this lenses looks in one piece . Those pictures are made "after" disassembling and cleaning and "before" relubing and assembling.
Here is the outcome for example. Pentacon 2.8/100 from last shot. It came with foggy lenses and stuck oily aperture. |
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BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
Putting back aperture blades into order can be a pain in the ... .
Did you succeed? |
Modern 6-8 blades apertures are really simple to assemble. But old Helioses or Meyers with 13 or more blades are real pain! You can simply spend 2 hours of your life putting one aperture together. Over and over again, because it usually fall apart when you are trying put one of the last two blades in place |
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Jekku
Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Posts: 42 Location: Turku, Finland
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Jekku wrote:
Call me a sissy but this hurts...
Even though I trust the OP for knowing his/her stuff it really makes me a little scared to see all those in so many pieces. _________________ Your everyday tourist.
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
I would understand shocked response if it was a renaissance sculpture but cameras/optics are not unreplaceable objects of worship - they are tools.
I thing taking apart precision mechanisms for cleaning, re-assembling them and putting them back in use to be very normal procedure. I bet more than 1 rifle or gun owner on this forum agrees with me, be it a rare handcrafted Flodman or simple mass-manufactured Remington 1100. |
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
Dear brunner --
I do not completely understand what's going on here
especially the last picture -- there are two lens elements touching each other
you're sure what you doing?
Another thing is that it's not very good to take apart whole lens - if this is not necessary...
tf _________________ Flickr.com |
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BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:11 am Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
trifox wrote: |
Dear brunner --
I do not completely understand what's going on here
especially the last picture -- there are two lens elements touching each other
you're sure what you doing?
Another thing is that it's not very good to take apart whole lens - if this is not necessary...
tf |
I'm absolutely sure what I'm doing. I already successfully serviced over 30 of my lenses. As Esox lucius stated above, lenses are not "magic boxes" and likewise other human mechanical products, they sometimes needs service. As a collector of East German and Russian lenses from '50-'60, I can state, that 90% of lenses from this time, needs it. On most of them the grease turned in to a glue during more than 50 years. Especially Russian lenses, sometime later I will post pictures of disassembled and uncleaned silver Helios or Jupiter - it's a mess.
I prefer, not to fix what's not broken and I try to avoid touching optics whenever it's possible (as you can see on most photos). But when the aperture is stuck because of oily blades, there is no other solution than disassemble the optical block and aperture and clean every blade separately.
The Pentacon on last picture came with stuck oily blades, stiff focusing ring and oily haze on all internal lenses - most people will say "worthless junk". After some work, now I have fully working rare lens with smooth focusing and clean optics - for only 20€ including shipping.
Indeed the best for me is the feeling, that this nice piece of human workmanship didn't end on junkyard and I gave it new life! I'm sure, that with proper storage, it can flawlessly serve for another 40 years.
And lastly, many people like to play with puzzles. Servicing old lenses is like resolving teasers for me
PS: to clear up any doubts, i will post later today picture of all lenses above in they current compact form |
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
I've spent some time restoring old cars, and you hear the conflicting advice of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "Give it a full teardown semi-annually" over and over again - a perfect mirror of what photographers say about cameras & lenses.
I can say one thing for 100% certain: A rusty bolt is a thousand times easier to loosen, and with substantially less risk of damage to the bolt or the surrounding area, if it was loosened once every few years over the life of the car. It's those bolts that haven't been touched in 40 years that are a real PITA to remove.
There are also age related consequences which you cannot undo, but could have prevented. Proper greasing on metal-to-metal friction surfaces is one of these. Cleaning & re-greasing is child's play compared to putting those little specks of worn off aluminum back on the helicoid threads.
Thanks for the pictures, BRunner! Have you ever considered taking more pictures at the intermediate steps, and making how-to guides? Heck, with 30+ lenses, you could even make a book! _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
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Thanks for the pictures, BRunner! Have you ever considered taking more pictures at the intermediate steps, and making how-to guides? Heck, with 30+ lenses, you could even make a book |
+100
I always get stuck at the helicoils...I like your tools as well especially that double ended one _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
Brunner, you know what you're doing ..
Only looking at your lenses I don't feel very well
I am not a serviceman, so don't take my comments ...
I know just that you don't have to go in to great depth
tf _________________ Flickr.com |
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: !! |
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trifox wrote:
Esox lucius wrote: |
I would understand shocked response if it was a renaissance sculpture but cameras/optics are not unreplaceable objects of worship - they are tools.
I thing taking apart precision mechanisms for cleaning, re-assembling them and putting them back in use to be very normal procedure. I bet more than 1 rifle or gun owner on this forum agrees with me, be it a rare handcrafted Flodman or simple mass-manufactured Remington 1100. |
if you think that your APO Lanthars are just tools, let me take in bits your Lanthar 125 ..
Please, just once, promise! I don't guarantee to put it back in its previous shape, of course!
But you've got still 2 more, haven't you?
tf _________________ Flickr.com |
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BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
mo wrote: |
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Thanks for the pictures, BRunner! Have you ever considered taking more pictures at the intermediate steps, and making how-to guides? Heck, with 30+ lenses, you could even make a book |
+100
I always get stuck at the helicoils...I like your tools as well especially that double ended one |
I will try it with some typical lenses. There are groups of lenses built same way and if you learn how to service one, the others are easy.
Old Helioses and all Jupiter 9s, Mir-1s. All Takumars and most newer lenses are built very similarly. Old silver Meyers and so on. The worst lenses to service are probably CZJ lenses, every model is different.
The Bernstein screwdrivers looks fancy, but despite famous brand, they didn´t prove good and I don´t use them anymore. They are too refractile. The Narex screwdrivers (Czech brand) on fifth photo are more durable.
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Only looking at your lenses I don't feel very well
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I hope, this picture will make you feel better
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
ok -- brunner I feel better now, of course
-- but CZJ lenses are not the worst ones -- I would say they are 'suitable' for service and taking apart
tf _________________ Flickr.com |
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: !! |
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Esox lucius wrote:
trifox wrote: |
Esox lucius wrote: |
I would understand shocked response if it was a renaissance sculpture but cameras/optics are not unreplaceable objects of worship - they are tools.
I thing taking apart precision mechanisms for cleaning, re-assembling them and putting them back in use to be very normal procedure. I bet more than 1 rifle or gun owner on this forum agrees with me, be it a rare handcrafted Flodman or simple mass-manufactured Remington 1100. |
if you think that your APO Lanthars are just tools, let me take in bits your Lanthar 125 ..
Please, just once, promise! I don't guarantee to put it back in its previous shape, of course!
But you've got still 2 more, haven't you?
tf |
I actually have partially disassembled and assembled my 125/2.5 Macro APO-Lanthar. I wanted to take a look at it to see whether it would be difficult to chip or not. Later, I found on Nikongear.com a walk-through to chipping that lens and as it seemed more complicated than chipping my Nikkor Ai-S lenses I decided against it.
I have only 1 Macro APO-Lanthar. Thanks for the offer, but if I'm going to chip it some day I'll do it myself. Same applies to the 90/3.5 and 180/4 _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180 |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Thank you
Even if you could show just the helicoils going back together and how to mark where they come apart as for me it often happens so fast and I miss the mark...so to speak...
I was looking at the long thin silver tool it looks like a dentist tool...is that a bernstein as well?
The lenses I treasure the most are in my signature...I would like to know how to clean them only if I had to...but having some idea is better than none The dust is gathering in the macro tak... _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
mo wrote: |
I was looking at the long thin silver tool it looks like a dentist tool...is that a bernstein as well? |
The Bernstein has replaceable double-sided extensions. |
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BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:05 am Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
First try of quick photoguide. CZJ Sonnar 2.8/180. |
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pat donnelly
Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 666 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:31 pm Post subject: Tools and tools to disassemble them. |
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pat donnelly wrote:
Thanks for the photos and feedback on the equipment!
We need to do the servicing ourselves and every encouragement helps.
For those few we mess up, we now know to whom to send them! I have a small collection of Nikon FM2s that I bought, in parts, with a view to one day making one or maybe two out of them. Someday soon.... |
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GeorgeDexter
Joined: 07 Feb 2010 Posts: 12
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:36 am Post subject: I would love to be your apprentice! |
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GeorgeDexter wrote:
If only we lived on the same continent. I have dozens of old, dusty, stuck, oily, hazed, etc. lenses that need attention. I've picked them out of garage sales and junk bins. I've some real gems, but they just need a little TLC. You inspire me!
Thanks,
George |
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