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bobds78
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:28 pm Post subject: Tripod Collar mount for SOLIGOR Macro Zoom 80-200mm |
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bobds78 wrote:
I have gotten a Soligor 80-200mm macro zoom but found it to be a tad too heavy for my E-P2 if its to be mounted on a tripod and i can feel the stress on the E-P2's body.
So I am trying to find a suitable tripod collar/ring mount for the lens but all I see and google are just Canon's.
Somebody, help?
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Robert |
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
Do you have a photo of your lens, by any chance?
(By the way, as a new user, the forum probably won't let your image be displayed inline... it's an anti-spam measure. But if you link to it, we will be able to see it.) _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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bobds78
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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bobds78 wrote:
Yes sure, here they are
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bobds78
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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bobds78 wrote:
I think a Tripod Collar Mount can be mounted as you can see that there's a recessed mount probably designed for a collar or ring mount on a tripod. Any idea?
Many thanks |
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
Does that part right up against the mount stay stationary when you turn the aperture ring? _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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bobds78
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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bobds78 wrote:
I think it also turns when the aperture is turned. So this means its not a recess for tripod collar? But does it matter? It will still work, won't it? |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
may be you can buy a collar for canon and modify it, i have one in plastic
what is the diameter of the lens in the location for the collar ? _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Rolf
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
I believe that these types of "little" zooms (70-200/210) are not designed for using a tripod at the lens itself.
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bobds78
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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bobds78 wrote:
Yes, probably so. The question still remain because its still difficult to hold it steady enough to get a quality shot. This 'little' gem is capable of pumping out some very nice shots. Here are some pics I took last night resting it with my e-p2 on top of the table/
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bobds78
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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bobds78 wrote:
Hi Nelson,
Thanks for dropping by. I am beginning to seriously consider that route already, if I cannot find a dedicated collar/ring. And also may try DIY, as some other member have tried somewhere in this forum.
By the way, could please show me some pics of the one you made?
Thanks |
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Attila
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Rolf wrote: |
I believe that these types of "little" zooms (70-200/210) are not designed for using a tripod at the lens itself.
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+1 forget genuine one look something else. _________________ -------------------------------
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:08 am Post subject: |
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walter g wrote:
I know what you mean. I shoot with a 80-200 one touch, and mines on the heavy side. It would be nice to have a tripod mount. So for me to use mine with hopefully no shake I have one hand on the camera and the other holding the lens. And hope I don't move my setting.
By the way they did make Soligor 80-200 lenses with a tripod mount. But I've never seen one on a one touch. _________________
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Panasonic G5,Nikon J1,Pentax Q10,Sony Nex 6
Minolta MC W SI 2.5/28, MD 2.8/28, MC W SG 3.5/28, MC Celtic 3.5/28, MC W HG 2.8/35, MD Celtic 2.8/35, QE 4/35, Rokkor X 2/45, MC Rokkor X PG 1.4/50, MC Rokkor X PG 1.7/50, MD Rokkor X 1.7/50, MD 2/50, MC Rokkor PF 1.7/55, MC Rokkor PF 1.9/55, Auto Tele Rokkor PG 2.8/135, MC Tele Rokkor QD 3.5/135, TC 4/135, MC Celtic 4/200, MC Tele Rokkor PE 4.5/200
MD 28-70 f3.5-4.8, MD Macro 35-70 f3.5, Md 70-210 f4, MD Rokkor X 75-200 f4.5, MD 100-200 f5.6
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
bobds78 wrote: |
I think it also turns when the aperture is turned. So this means its not a recess for tripod collar? But does it matter? It will still work, won't it? |
That depends on your definition of "work".
If you mount a tripod collar to the aperture ring, then the lens assembly is free to rotate within it- limited only by the small "clicks" of the aperture ring. Since your EP2 has more weight on the right side than the left, it will always have a rotational force applied to it. There's a good chance that your images will all end up being f/16 and rotated clockwise.
You can't really use the "beanbag" trick either (where you set a heavy lens down on a beanbag to stabilize it without a tripod), since you would be unable to focus or zoom once it was set down.
My advice would be to consider this an 80-120 zoom, and clamp a tripod collar around the last part of the lens barrel just above the aperture ring. It would keep you from zooming in as far, because you couldn't pull the grip back all the way... but that would seem to be your only option due to the lens design. If you do this, find the thinnest tripod collar you can, as the thinner it is, the more zoom range you will maintain. _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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bobds78
Joined: 09 Apr 2010 Posts: 21
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:03 am Post subject: |
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bobds78 wrote:
True enough, I have not considered its mechanics. So that leaves me with only 2 options: 1st, seek a dedicated tripod OR 2nd, get a cheap & close copy and modify it to fit. Either way, I think I still need a part of the lens that's not movable to mount the collar. OR get a tele-converter and mount that collar on the TC, this way it will leave the zoom to function properly on its own. Is this the best solution? Or is there any tripod gadget that I can use to balance-off the stress on the camera body?
I would also consider the 'work-around' of mounting the collar on the lens barrel. Pretty good idea, i admit. Any tripod collar model in mind that you would recommend? Many thanks. |
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Scheimpflug
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
I would stay away from teleconverters if possible... they can reduce contrast and sharpness, and add chromatic aberration.
One thing I just thought of though - what does your m4/3 adapter look like? Could you clamp a collar around that? _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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bobds78
Joined: 09 Apr 2010 Posts: 21
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:41 am Post subject: |
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bobds78 wrote:
Yes, that could well be the place where the collar can be mounted. But I need to check that when I get home this afternoon. If there is a flat and wide enough area, I think it will work.
Many thanks for the suggestion. |
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bobds78
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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bobds78 wrote:
Just checked, there's a small strip measuring about 7mm wide that is a perfect area for mounting a tripod collar. Unfortunately there's a Release Button in the way that may hinder the mounting. Probably this can be overcome with a thin rubber pad or something.
High chance of success and I might try. |
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Scheimpflug
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
If you are OK with "permanent" solutions, you could simplify things another level by skipping the collar and just epoxying a 1/4" flange nut to the adapter. You would put the flange side down, to give a larger base to rest against the tripod, and the largest surface area for the epoxy to bond to.
I have used this method before to add tripod mounts to disposable video cameras. It was strong enough to survive clamping to the bottom of my car and driving around. Extremely inexpensive as well.
You would have to get the alignment perfect the first time though, as there are no second chances if you get it crooked. _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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bobds78
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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bobds78 wrote:
Hi Scheimpflug,
Good idea! But may risk quite an expensive piece of adapter, I am afraid. I may try this one too. I have roughly an idea already.
Thanks for all the input. |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
bobds78 wrote: |
Hi Nelson,
Thanks for dropping by. I am beginning to seriously consider that route already, if I cannot find a dedicated collar/ring. And also may try DIY, as some other member have tried somewhere in this forum.
By the way, could please show me some pics of the one you made?
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Sorry i may not be clear
I bought two collar for my Canon 70-200, firts one is in plastic so i bought another one in metal (juste because I prefered metal )
the one in plastic only cost me 7€, so i recommande you to study the diameters of the lense and the possibility to modify one of those collar.
i think it is one like those
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Tripod-Collar-Ring-A-II-W-for-Canon-70-200mm-f-4L-USM_W0QQitemZ360252472431QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLens_Accessories?hash=item53e0b87c6f
take care, when it is in metal, it is mentionned _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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bobds78
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:03 am Post subject: |
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bobds78 wrote:
Many thanks, guys. Appreciate it |
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Scheimpflug
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
Yep, no problem. Just make sure you report back, and add a few more pictures and a test report for whatever solution you end up putting together. There are a LOT of people with lenses just like this, so if a solution can be found it would be beneficial to see it. _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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Lloydy
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Lloydy wrote:
http://www.srb-griturn.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYCAT&catid=27
I've bought stuff from SRB Griturn before and beem impressed with the quality and service.
They manufacture a lot of parts themselves, and they list custom made tripod / lens mounts. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
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http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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Scheimpflug
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
Looks like an interesting source, Lloydy! And not just for tripod collars. Thanks for the link! _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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SkedAddled
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:53 am Post subject: |
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SkedAddled wrote:
If you mount a tripod collar to the aperture ring, you're likely to either
damage the assembly or make the aperture adjustment unusable
just from the clamping force of a tripod collar mounted.
This lens appears very similar to the much-lauded Tamron SP 60-300mm
f/3.8-5.4 Adaptall-2 zoom, in that it's a push-pull type with a similar
physical makeup. It's an easy fix for the lens, buying a cheap metal collar
from Asia, and lining it with some dense felt or even cork. If there is enough
of a gap between the aperture ring and the focus/zoom barrel, you will
be able to securely clamp a tripod collar around the lens, even if the
width of the collar is wider than the lens' gap. The requirement is a buildup
inside the collar to get a secure fit, allowing enough space for the focus/zoom
barrel to slide under the collar with enough clearance.
You can see it illustrated with pictures HERE, by Jieffe and myself. _________________ Craig
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