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Katastrofo
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 Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:46 am Post subject: sun flare or something else? |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Waited 16 days to get this Portra 160NC roll back that I ran through the
Bessa Skopar 6x9 and found this on the negs:
converted in Silver Efex Pro
All 5 pics (other 3 frames were boring tree/water landscapes) had this, the
scapes did not. Too much light for the 1937 lens to handle is what I'm thinking. Crap.
If there is something else that might have caused this, would love to hear
about it, thanks. |
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:14 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Just guessing, mainly because I'm not sure if I see what you see  I would say too much DR for the film to record rather than too much light for lens. Can PP pull up more shadow detail before using Silver Efex? (by adjusting curves as in levels and curves)
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
Are you talking about the long vertical streaks? They look too "square" to be lens flare...
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Yes, here are the vertical streaks with the image "beamed up" a little:
and a boring scape shot, seeing some color anomaly in upper left:
Looks like it might be from film processing after all, just didn't affect the
scape pix as much. |
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Oh! I see those streaks now with different ambient lighting (sunny earlier, now after dark)
Yes, I think processing too.
Scanner? Are streaks on film viewed with loupe?
Could also be uneven or contaminated emulsion? That may extend to multiple rolls. (Ouch!)
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
It need not be the processing - they look as if they might match the structure (corrugated metal?) outside the window. Under these conditions a in camera reflection or the light itself could have been the culprit...
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Visualopsins and Sevo, thanks, this is a real puzzler. I looked at the negs
under strong light with magnifying glasses and can't find any streaks. I have
stronger lighting at work and magnifiers and will see if there are any I can
discern there. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
What did you scan with? Scanner artefacts are not that rare.
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
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| What did you scan with? Scanner artefacts are not that rare. |
I used my Epson 4490, I could try rescanning these, but am combating an
attack of serious disinterest as these didn't come out that great, anyway. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Bill, I don't know what the helga you are seeing that is disturbing you, but I tell you, these are amongst the best photos that you have showed here, and you showed plenty of good ones.
Who gives a quack about the flare (where is it?)
The photos rock. I am undecided which one to choose if colour or B&W. They both seem to have a reason.
But I guess that if I had the original negative, a large (1 mt) print of the B&W one would surely end up on my wall.
And don't touch the levels!
Black exists for a reason: for our mind to fill it with our imagination.
Prosaists do shift gamma and fill lights. Poets leave the black. Do you think that Baudelaire or Mr. Edgar Poe would have filled the blacks of your photo with hdr or similar paraphernalia? I think not.
I was almost going to miss this thread due to the subject that made me think of a technical issue. I'm glad I didn't!
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goombles wrote:
OT: Besides the technicalities that you're discussing, I really like #1 and the average viewer wouldn't care about the streaks.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Baudelaire, Poe? That takes me back, and Gautier, too. What can I say, Orio, I'm an imperfect person that is a perfectionist, a perpetual curse.
I do rather like the BW conversion, the high contrast and inky blacks. Thanks for your comments!
@Goombles, thank you! |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:14 am Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Interesting stuff Bill
I like the B+W as well.
Maybe try using the shadow filter just a bit to bring up the outline of the left side of her body as the color version shows.
Leave the black point or adjust it back down i needed. I agree with the inky black comment.
Very nice and serendipitous image!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Bill, I've had something similar, and your post finally got me off my butt to scan the film myself.
This was from the original CVS scan, you can see the streaks on the car:
this was my scan from this morning, no streaks:
Bike, rescanned by Nesster, on Flickr
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Andy and Jussi, thanks, will rescan this tonight. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
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Bill, I've had something similar, and your post finally got me off my butt to scan the film myself.
This was from the original CVS scan, you can see the streaks on the car:
this was my scan from this morning, no streaks:
Bike, rescanned by Nesster, on Flickr |
I must say the home scan looks much better.
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Martin, you beat me to it, but agree.
I can see some faint streaks under strong light on the negs. I tried scanning
it from both sides and still have the streaks. |
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