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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
As for Helios and Mir lenses - both "K" and "M" lenses have automatic diaphragm. But K-marked Helios lenses have K-mount, while M-lenses have M42 mount (and H/N for Nikon mount).
As for Jupiters, some M-marked models have automatic diaphragm (21M), others have pre-set system (37AM). According to some rumours, M can mean "modern" regarding Jupiters. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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alegen
Joined: 06 Aug 2010 Posts: 12
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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alegen wrote:
I've just translated info from the link above:
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Первоначально термин "моргающая диафрагма" применялся только для резьбовых объективов, имеющих нажимную диафрагму по вышеуказанной терминологии. Термин "моргающая диафрагма" остался в индексе "М", которым маркируются резьбовые (M42x1) объективы с нажимной диафрагмой. Такие объективы имеют в оправе подпружиненный штырек, через который передается усилие на закрытие диафрагмы. |
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Байонетные объективы со своими стандартными приводами диафрагмы маркируются иным образом -- по типу байонета ("K", "Н" и т.д.) |
"M" means screwmount lens with automatic diaphragm, bayonet type lenses marked by K, H etc. For example, Helios-44 and 44-2 are M42 lenses but there is no "M" in their names cause they do not have automatic diaphragm. Helios-44M is M42 lens with automatic diaphragm thats why there is "M" in the end. As for Jupiter you are right. |
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banpei
Joined: 28 Oct 2010 Posts: 10
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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banpei wrote:
no-X wrote: |
banpei: I think the zero at the begining means it was made in 1970... maybe it's 525th lens made in MMZ factory during 1970? |
That is correct: the Zenit E it used to be on was manufacured in 1970 as well. _________________ Seriously Helios 44 addicted
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Zenit-E (x3) / Zenit 12XP (x2) / Praktica FX / Mamiya MSX500 / Praktica LTL3 / Zenit-EM
Helios 44M / Helios 44 / Helios 44-2 / Helios 44-4 (x2) / Helios 77M / Mir 1 37mm / SMC Takumar 28mm / Mamiya 50mm / Pentacon 50mm / Carl Zeiss (aus Jena) Tessar 50mm
SLR: Zenit-E, Praktica LTL3, Praktica FX, Zenit-EM, Mamiya MSX500
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Helios m42: 44M 2/58, 44 2/58, 44-2 2/58, 44-4 2/58, 77M-4 1.8/50
Mir m42: 37/2.8
Takumar m42: 28/3.5, 35/3.5
Vivitar m42: 35/2.8, 135/2.8
Mamiya m42: 50/2, 28/2.8
Other m42: Pentacon 1.8/50, Panagor 4.5/80-200
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alegen
Joined: 06 Aug 2010 Posts: 12
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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alegen wrote:
The earliest Helios-44 I ever saw:
Export Helos-44 by MMZ "Zebra" with strange number 90XXXXX:
Homemade hood for Helios-44. Looks funny, works good! =)
White cap on the left used for Custom WB.
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Complete list of Helios lenses - getting closer |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
no-X wrote: |
If you have some SLR Helios lenses, which are not pictured or mentioned, you can help by sharing this info: |
Here are some pictures of my Helios-81N, from my recent thread about it:
http://forum.mflenses.com/mc-helios-81n-50-2-and-nikon-50-1-8-series-e-comparison-t34101.html
Information:
Name: Helios-81N
Labeling: "MC гелиос-81н 2/50"
Special symbols: Zavod Arsenal logo
Serial number: 8925xxx
Aperture blades: 6
System: Nikon F (Kiev 17/19/20/19M bodies)
(shown next to a Nikon 50/1.8 Series E for a size reference... let me know if you would like a shot of just the Helios on its own) _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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dimitrygo
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 561
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: |
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dimitrygo wrote:
The last addition - very unusual Helios 44M-4:
As you can see it has:
1. A/M switch, unusual for this model and of unusual shape
2. very wide focus ring
3. focus ring turns into an opposite direction
4. unusual coating (gold - light magenta - light violet)
5. 6 digits number as some export models
6. label in russian (not so uncommon for this model though)
I am not sure but I think the focus ring and coating of this model are similar to Helios-44K-4 |
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hyperione
Joined: 26 Feb 2011 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:37 am Post subject: strange Helios |
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hyperione wrote:
Hello MF Team, hello no-X.
Have a big surprise for no-X: recently i was at local bazaar to check if there any M42 lenses, and seller has shown me Helios MC AUTO ZOOM 35-135 1:3.5-4.5. Looks like as KMZ model. Diaphragm is stuck open. To zoom, have to move zoom ring up and down (no need to rotate it). Please check photo. No other photo, as seller guy was little bit nervous (he sells gold also). Le me know what you think about it. He was asking for it around $100.
p.s. this post was one of reasons to register at MF
don't see photo in msg, here is link: hxxp://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20112/3994_19022011127_2_1.jpg |
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dimitrygo
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 561
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: strange Helios |
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dimitrygo wrote:
hyperione wrote: |
Hello MF Team, hello no-X.
Have a big surprise for no-X: recently i was at local bazaar to check if there any M42 lenses, and seller has shown me Helios MC AUTO ZOOM 35-135 1:3.5-4.5. Looks like as KMZ model. Diaphragm is stuck open. To zoom, have to move zoom ring up and down (no need to rotate it). Please check photo. No other photo, as seller guy was little bit nervous (he sells gold also). Le me know what you think about it. He was asking for it around $100.
p.s. this post was one of reasons to register at MF
don't see photo in msg, here is link: hxxp://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20112/3994_19022011127_2_1.jpg |
Never saw such a zoom. This list of KMZ lenses doesn't contain it http://www.zenitcamera.com/catalog/lenseslist.html.
Honestly it looks like any other Japanese zoom, but this KMZ logo...
BTW your picture doesn't show because of anti spam protection for the first post. |
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
Out of curiosity and in part to maybe reinvigorate discussion can anyone speculate as to why the coating was changed so drastically from the earliest п coated Helios 44s to the later chrome ones that do not bear the symbol? One goes from a vibrant blue/violet to a pale gold/light blue. Just following the information here: http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-166.html I would think this deep purple would be quite good for a single coating.
Was it too expensive?
Is the п coating impressive looking but not as effective? |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
themoleman342 wrote: |
Out of curiosity and in part to maybe reinvigorate discussion can anyone speculate as to why the coating was changed so drastically from the earliest п coated Helios 44s to the later chrome ones that do not bear the symbol? One goes from a vibrant blue/violet to a pale gold/light blue. Just following the information here: http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-166.html I would think this deep purple would be quite good for a single coating.
Was it too expensive?
Is the п coating impressive looking but not as effective? |
The later m39 version are less prone to flare. Not sure if the color rendering will be differnt as I have sold all my red p helios 44. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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aspen
Joined: 15 Dec 2010 Posts: 307 Location: Maryland, USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:48 am Post subject: |
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aspen wrote:
I discovered this lens. It has a 00 serial number and is being sold/auctioned. I'm not sure if it is Japanese rip-off or one of those rare pieces, if the myth is true, double zeros, made for Dignitaries.
http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-FILM-CAMERA-LENS-FILTERS-FLASH-ALL-WORKING-/320669010399?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item4aa95cc9df |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
You can find the infos on the Old Marketplace:
http://forum.mflenses.com/cosmogon-58mm-f2-t16327.html _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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banpei
Joined: 28 Oct 2010 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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banpei wrote:
alegen wrote: |
Export Helos-44 by MMZ "Zebra" with strange number 90XXXXX: |
My backup Zebra lens by MMZ has the same serial structure: N9071648
BTW: the backup Zebra became my current Zebra after some burglar nicked my camerabag during the night. The bag contained my digital camera including allmost all M42 lenses including the Zebra lens with serial 000525. I probably will never see it back...
On the positive side: I'm back to celluloid now and use one of the (indestructible) Zenit-E bodies with the backup Zebra as a daily camera now. I've also bought a 1968 Zenit-E with Helios 44 and I also bought a 77M-4 but haven't been able to do the comparison between the 44 and the 77M-4 yet. _________________ Seriously Helios 44 addicted
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Zenit-E (x3) / Zenit 12XP (x2) / Praktica FX / Mamiya MSX500 / Praktica LTL3 / Zenit-EM
Helios 44M / Helios 44 / Helios 44-2 / Helios 44-4 (x2) / Helios 77M / Mir 1 37mm / SMC Takumar 28mm / Mamiya 50mm / Pentacon 50mm / Carl Zeiss (aus Jena) Tessar 50mm
SLR: Zenit-E, Praktica LTL3, Praktica FX, Zenit-EM, Mamiya MSX500
Lenses
Helios m42: 44M 2/58, 44 2/58, 44-2 2/58, 44-4 2/58, 77M-4 1.8/50
Mir m42: 37/2.8
Takumar m42: 28/3.5, 35/3.5
Vivitar m42: 35/2.8, 135/2.8
Mamiya m42: 50/2, 28/2.8
Other m42: Pentacon 1.8/50, Panagor 4.5/80-200
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an33sh
Joined: 02 Apr 2011 Posts: 34
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:50 am Post subject: |
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an33sh wrote:
Holy shit. This should be the Wiki page for it. Fantastic job |
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n3rd
Joined: 18 Apr 2011 Posts: 1 Location: Craiova
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:53 am Post subject: Hi, |
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n3rd wrote:
This post is GOLD.
I am really happy to see so many HELIOS enthusiasts here.
I will post serials and images for all my HELIOS lenses next days. _________________ Helios 44 addicted
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Helios 44-2 (3x)/ Industar 50 f3.5 / Prakticar 80-200 f4.5 / Revuenon 28mm f2.8 |
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
The zoom is not made by KMZ. A Japanese manufacturer illegally used the symbol.
Zenit Camera even addresses some of these fakes under the heading "Not our 'Zenith'":
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/index.html&ei=HlisTf6WOsLcgQfr7_jzBQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/index.html%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divns
The Auto Cosmogon is a Helios 44m. No different. It was just re-labeled for the U.S. market. Relatively uncommon but by no means rare. |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
themoleman342 wrote: |
Out of curiosity and in part to maybe reinvigorate discussion can anyone speculate as to why the coating was changed so drastically from the earliest п coated Helios 44s to the later chrome ones that do not bear the symbol? One goes from a vibrant blue/violet to a pale gold/light blue. Just following the information here: http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-166.html I would think this deep purple would be quite good for a single coating.
Was it too expensive?
Is the п coating impressive looking but not as effective? |
I thin the reason was color cast. It wasn't a problem for b/w photography, but it would ruin color photographies, which would get very strong yellow cast. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Bought this 44 just because it's the silver metal kind. I doubt it's anything rare, but wonder if no-X can tell me something about it. I had hoped for the many aperture blade model, but I suspect this isn't because it only stops to f/16. Serial number is 5009859.
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Hello? _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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caribou
Joined: 22 May 2011 Posts: 44 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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caribou wrote:
Hi everybody. I'm intersting at this moment about the Helios-103. I wonder if it could be mount on a m4/3 (GF1)... Does somebody ever tried it ? Wich adapter ring could fit and allows focus ? All the contax C/Y adapter I see dont seem to allow focusing...
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A.Loukas
Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Posts: 12 Location: Italy, Sicily
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: |
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A.Loukas wrote:
having to purchase a Helios 44-2, between these two versions is preferred
- helios 44-2 VALDAI 1975
- helios 44-2 MMZ 1973
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Sirrith
Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
Just went through this thread for the umpteenth time (I like helios lenses ), and found something that bothers me a bit. The Helios 44m1 with 2 aperture blades, I can't find any information or mention of it at all anywhere outside this thread. Does anyone have any more information about it??
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dimitrygo
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 561
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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dimitrygo wrote:
Sirrith wrote: |
Just went through this thread for the umpteenth time (I like helios lenses ), and found something that bothers me a bit. The Helios 44m1 with 2 aperture blades, I can't find any information or mention of it at all anywhere outside this thread. Does anyone have any more information about it??
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It is mentioned here at the bottom http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/lenses/helios-44.html There are many lenses in this thread you won't find any official information about them: 44 with min. aperture 22, 44M-4 with A/M switch, 44M MC. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Bought this 44 just because it's the silver metal kind. I doubt it's anything rare, but wonder if no-X can tell me something about it. I had hoped for the many aperture blade model, but I suspect this isn't because it only stops to f/16. Serial number is 5009859.
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M39 lens for the Zenit 3M so it has the smae register as an M42 lens, you will need an M39-M42 stepper ring.
50 serial means it was made in 1950, I expect it will be excellent. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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themoleman342
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
It was not made in 1950. Zenit SLR prototypes were not even introduced until '51. This helios was made in 1965. The first "5" denoted the year in the decade for mmz-make lenses.
I don't believe any of the MMZ lenses were 13-bladed. By the time production of Helios lenses were shifted to other factories, the 13 bladed versions had already been discontinued. So it probably has 8.
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