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Hari
Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 1790
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: My year of B&W has started! |
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Hari wrote:
Hi All,
I will shoot mostly in B&W this year and here are the first samples - [positive and negative comments welcome]
[M9 + Elmar 50/2.8 E39. this one was shot last year. I did the pp yesterday so i'm counting this one in]
[shot with the 5D + leica 60/2.8 macro lens. yes, that's dust on the sensor which I noticed only after shooting all evening :/]
[M9 + Super Wide Heliar 15/4.5. yes, this lens has the color-in-the-corner problem but that's gone when you shoot in B&W ]
All postprocessing done either in Lightroom 3 or Silver Efex Pro.
More pix as soon as and when I shoot some more. I will keep updating this thread with the new images. Wish me luck in B&W _________________
Analogue Rangefinders: Leica M5, Leica M6 Titanium classic 0.72, Leica M7 0.58, Leica M7 0.85
Digital Rangefinder: Leica M9, Leica Monochrom, Leica M240
SLR: Leica R3 electronic, Canon AE1P
DSLR: Canon 5D MK2
M mount Lenses: Super-Wide Heliar 15/f4.5 ASPH. + Leica 24/f3.8 ASPH + Leica 28/f2 ASPH. + Leica 35/f1.4 ASPH. FLE + Leica Noctilux 50/f0.95 + Leica Noctilux 50/f1 + Canon 50/f1.2 LTM + Leica 50/f1.4 ASPH. + Leica 50/f1.5 + Zeiss ZM Sonnar 50/f1.5 + Leica APO Summicron 50/f2 + Leica Summitar 50/f2 + Leica Rigid Summicron 50/f2 + Zeiss ZM Planar 50/f2 + Leica 50/f2.8 E39 + Leica 75/f1.4 + Leica APO 75/f2 ASPH. + Voigtlander 75/f2.5 + Leica Summarex 85/f1.5 + Leica APO 90/f2 ASPH. + Leica 90/f2 E55 + Leica 90/f2.8 + Leica APO 135/f3.4
Leica R mount Lenses: Leica-R 60/2.8 E55 + Leica-R 80/1.4 E67 + Leica-R 180/4
EF mount Lenses: Canon 50/1.8 II
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greg
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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greg wrote:
The plane in the hanger is fantastic. A touch of sepia and it would be timeless. |
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hexi
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
Great idea of doing b&w : )
I like them, mostly the first, compo and the slight grain, also the last, quite amazing. nice work _________________ Happy owner and user of :
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goombles
Joined: 08 Apr 2010 Posts: 136 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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goombles wrote:
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The plane in the hanger is fantastic. |
+1, that and the first. _________________
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
good luck, i think its great! i usually shoot much b&w in the winter. let me ask you, when you shoot b&w with the 5d, do you shoot b&w jpeg or do you shoot in color raw and then b&w post process? _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
hi,
I don't want to sound disappointing, but if you really plan to dedicate yourself to B&W, you should do film and develop and wet-print it yourself.
I have the M9 and it's a fantastic camera, but there is no grayscale conversion that can obtain results as great as a well developed, well printed B&W _________________ Orio, Administrator
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
Looking good Hari! _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
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hexi
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
Gloria
I more than second Orio's saying. No digital can match film rendition, especially when it comes to grain. I am happy with digital b&w, so i won't bitch either, BUT those are two different worlds, i've made few prints and it's worth the "pain".
try it _________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
DSLR > Canon 5D
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dude163
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 726 Location: New Brunswick , Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
Forget Film
http://www.alienskin.com/exposure/index.aspx
photoshop is your friend! _________________ Stormtrooper white Pentax K-X m42 adapter
Soviets: Helios 44m-6 and 40-1 , Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
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Attila
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
greg wrote: |
The plane in the hanger is fantastic. A touch of sepia and it would be timeless. |
+1 _________________ -------------------------------
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Orio wrote: |
hi,
I don't want to sound disappointing, but if you really plan to dedicate yourself to B&W, you should do film and develop and wet-print it yourself.
I have the M9 and it's a fantastic camera, but there is no grayscale conversion that can obtain results as great as a well developed, well printed B&W |
+1 difference is visible _________________ -------------------------------
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:27 am Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
hehe...
I was not going to step in it but, now that others need to wipe their shoes also.
B+W will always be film.
Hari these are beautiful pics.
I would suggest if you want to push forward with the m9.
Crank up the ISO to 1280 to get some "grain", Mount some older uncoated glass for lower contrast and accutance, download silver effex pro and emulate some of the classic film emmulsions.
Otherwise to be honest. Digital B+W looks the same from a top P+S as from your top DRF.
Just my opinion please ignore me if you wish. |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:01 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Orio wrote: |
hi,
I don't want to sound disappointing, but if you really plan to dedicate yourself to B&W, you should do film and develop and wet-print it yourself.
I have the M9 and it's a fantastic camera, but there is no grayscale conversion that can obtain results as great as a well developed, well printed B&W |
+1 _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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nemesis101
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: |
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nemesis101 wrote:
+1
Doug
greg wrote: |
The plane in the hanger is fantastic. A touch of sepia and it would be timeless. |
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Scheimpflug
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
B+W will always be film. |
The monochrome Kodak DCS 420m, 460m, 660m, 760m, etc. would disagree.
It is true that B&W film will always have a special look to it... but not every digital B&W image is a greyscale conversion. Pure monochrome DSLRs *do* exist.
Now for the hard part - finding one for sale! _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
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Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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Hari
Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 1790
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hari wrote:
Thank you all for your comments!
I really meant it when i said negative comments are welcome - if i dont take criticism, i wont learn some new points of view and im not egoistic to think im the next biggest name with inborn talent
"The plane in the hanger is fantastic. A touch of sepia and it would be timeless."
- great idea! i was focussing purely on B&W but a touch of sepia sounds great!
"good luck, i think its great! i usually shoot much b&w in the winter. let me ask you, when you shoot b&w with the 5d, do you shoot b&w jpeg or do you shoot in color raw and then b&w post process?"
- i actually shoot color raw and then postprocess in Lightroom or Silver efex
"hi, I don't want to sound disappointing, but if you really plan to dedicate yourself to B&W, you should do film and develop and wet-print it yourself.
I have the M9 and it's a fantastic camera, but there is no grayscale conversion that can obtain results as great as a well developed, well printed B&W"
- hmmmm nice advice and i do have a film camera and want to buy an AX or RX soon as i have all MM lenses but its the self developing part that is probably beyond me at this stage ...
"Hari these are beautiful pics.
I would suggest if you want to push forward with the m9.
Crank up the ISO to 1280 to get some "grain", Mount some older uncoated glass for lower contrast and accutance, download silver effex pro and emulate some of the classic film emmulsions.
Otherwise to be honest. Digital B+W looks the same from a top P+S as from your top DRF.
Just my opinion please ignore me if you wish."
- ok i'll try it for the next few pix! i do have some old uncoated M39 lenses and i have silver efex pro already!
I'm asking for your opinions so please feel free to tell me your honest opinions - im far from being a politically correct guy and im willing to learn. i dont think anybody can say i know everything about photography and im the greatest or maybe they can but thats not my style
"The monochrome Kodak DCS 420m, 460m, 660m, 760m, etc. would disagree.
It is true that B&W film will always have a special look to it... but not every digital B&W image is a greyscale conversion. Pure monochrome DSLRs *do* exist.
Now for the hard part - finding one for sale!"
- could you please tell me which ones for example? i might just get lucky!
Once again, thank you all for your comments and opinions and more comments welcome! No, im not trying to be a comment wh*re, i do want to hear what you have to say
Have a nice evening/day whereever you are, Cheers! Hari _________________
Analogue Rangefinders: Leica M5, Leica M6 Titanium classic 0.72, Leica M7 0.58, Leica M7 0.85
Digital Rangefinder: Leica M9, Leica Monochrom, Leica M240
SLR: Leica R3 electronic, Canon AE1P
DSLR: Canon 5D MK2
M mount Lenses: Super-Wide Heliar 15/f4.5 ASPH. + Leica 24/f3.8 ASPH + Leica 28/f2 ASPH. + Leica 35/f1.4 ASPH. FLE + Leica Noctilux 50/f0.95 + Leica Noctilux 50/f1 + Canon 50/f1.2 LTM + Leica 50/f1.4 ASPH. + Leica 50/f1.5 + Zeiss ZM Sonnar 50/f1.5 + Leica APO Summicron 50/f2 + Leica Summitar 50/f2 + Leica Rigid Summicron 50/f2 + Zeiss ZM Planar 50/f2 + Leica 50/f2.8 E39 + Leica 75/f1.4 + Leica APO 75/f2 ASPH. + Voigtlander 75/f2.5 + Leica Summarex 85/f1.5 + Leica APO 90/f2 ASPH. + Leica 90/f2 E55 + Leica 90/f2.8 + Leica APO 135/f3.4
Leica R mount Lenses: Leica-R 60/2.8 E55 + Leica-R 80/1.4 E67 + Leica-R 180/4
EF mount Lenses: Canon 50/1.8 II
M42 mount Lenses: Too many
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5083 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
Digital B+W looks the same from a top P+S as from your top DRF. |
WOW,
Andy, sorry, I don't understand. Could you translate for a silly french friend ?
Hi Hari,
Nice pictures and you're just at the beginning of the year. I feel that the end of the year ones will be great.
I agree with Greg about some Sepia on the plane's one. On #1, I would add softness. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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Hari
Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 1790
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hari wrote:
Now that I'm shooting B&W and mostly street, I find 50mm too 'narrow' - so I'm looking to buy the Nokton 35mm 1.2
I like the samples I see on Flickr but if anybody here any first hand experience with this lens i'd be glad to hear
Many Thanks!
Hari _________________
Analogue Rangefinders: Leica M5, Leica M6 Titanium classic 0.72, Leica M7 0.58, Leica M7 0.85
Digital Rangefinder: Leica M9, Leica Monochrom, Leica M240
SLR: Leica R3 electronic, Canon AE1P
DSLR: Canon 5D MK2
M mount Lenses: Super-Wide Heliar 15/f4.5 ASPH. + Leica 24/f3.8 ASPH + Leica 28/f2 ASPH. + Leica 35/f1.4 ASPH. FLE + Leica Noctilux 50/f0.95 + Leica Noctilux 50/f1 + Canon 50/f1.2 LTM + Leica 50/f1.4 ASPH. + Leica 50/f1.5 + Zeiss ZM Sonnar 50/f1.5 + Leica APO Summicron 50/f2 + Leica Summitar 50/f2 + Leica Rigid Summicron 50/f2 + Zeiss ZM Planar 50/f2 + Leica 50/f2.8 E39 + Leica 75/f1.4 + Leica APO 75/f2 ASPH. + Voigtlander 75/f2.5 + Leica Summarex 85/f1.5 + Leica APO 90/f2 ASPH. + Leica 90/f2 E55 + Leica 90/f2.8 + Leica APO 135/f3.4
Leica R mount Lenses: Leica-R 60/2.8 E55 + Leica-R 80/1.4 E67 + Leica-R 180/4
EF mount Lenses: Canon 50/1.8 II
M42 mount Lenses: Too many
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Hari wrote: |
I like the samples I see on Flickr but if anybody here any first hand experience with this lens i'd be glad to hear |
Nice lens (based on what I read), but HUGE lens.
If you don't absolutely need the half stop speed gain, I would get the Voigtlander 35mm f1.4 VM Nokton Classic instead, super small and portable.
Of course, if perfect image quality is what you look for instead, there is no other lens than "my" Biogon 2/35...
See: http://forum.mflenses.com/zeiss-biogon-2-35-leica-m9-montecchio-emilia-t35502.html
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Hari
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hari wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Hari wrote: |
I like the samples I see on Flickr but if anybody here any first hand experience with this lens i'd be glad to hear |
Nice lens (based on what I read), but HUGE lens.
If you don't absolutely need the half stop speed gain, I would get the Voigtlander 35mm f1.4 VM Nokton Classic instead, super small and portable.
Of course, if perfect image quality is what you look for instead, there is no other lens than "my" Biogon 2/35...
See: http://forum.mflenses.com/zeiss-biogon-2-35-leica-m9-montecchio-emilia-t35502.html
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Fantastic pictures, Orio!
I will shoot a lot in dim lights [bars/streets etc.] so I need the 1.4 but you just sold this lens to me so I guess I'll get a copy of the 35 biogon as well
Btw, do you have the 35/1.4 SC or MC version? _________________
Analogue Rangefinders: Leica M5, Leica M6 Titanium classic 0.72, Leica M7 0.58, Leica M7 0.85
Digital Rangefinder: Leica M9, Leica Monochrom, Leica M240
SLR: Leica R3 electronic, Canon AE1P
DSLR: Canon 5D MK2
M mount Lenses: Super-Wide Heliar 15/f4.5 ASPH. + Leica 24/f3.8 ASPH + Leica 28/f2 ASPH. + Leica 35/f1.4 ASPH. FLE + Leica Noctilux 50/f0.95 + Leica Noctilux 50/f1 + Canon 50/f1.2 LTM + Leica 50/f1.4 ASPH. + Leica 50/f1.5 + Zeiss ZM Sonnar 50/f1.5 + Leica APO Summicron 50/f2 + Leica Summitar 50/f2 + Leica Rigid Summicron 50/f2 + Zeiss ZM Planar 50/f2 + Leica 50/f2.8 E39 + Leica 75/f1.4 + Leica APO 75/f2 ASPH. + Voigtlander 75/f2.5 + Leica Summarex 85/f1.5 + Leica APO 90/f2 ASPH. + Leica 90/f2 E55 + Leica 90/f2.8 + Leica APO 135/f3.4
Leica R mount Lenses: Leica-R 60/2.8 E55 + Leica-R 80/1.4 E67 + Leica-R 180/4
EF mount Lenses: Canon 50/1.8 II
M42 mount Lenses: Too many
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Hari, I do not have the 1.4/35 Voigtlaender. I suggested it to you as an alternative to the 1.2/35 because it's a lot smaller and only a little slower. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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gaeger
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:03 am Post subject: |
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gaeger wrote:
greg wrote: |
The plane in the hanger is fantastic. |
+1
That is a fab photo. _________________ "Here's to the wonder" -- Alan Boyle
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