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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: 5D vs SD14 colour comparison impression |
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Orio wrote:
I can't remember whose member are the files here - sorry. Author, please take credit yourself.
I have worked a but on these two files in Lightroom.
As a premise: there are two factors that are not good for the comparison, although I'm not sure how much they weighted.
- One is that there is almost one hour difference between the two pictures. This is not good for a comparison: it means a light and colour change.
- The second difference is the lens. The lens on the 5D is quite wider, which of course means inferior detail quality at 100%.
Also the image quality of the lens on the Sigma camera appears better than the lens on the Canon,
but it's difficult to say how much of it depends on the lens and how much on the sensors (and AA filter).
Having that said: it is my impression, based on this single comparison, that the Sigma SD14 (Foveon) colours are slightly better than the 5D.
More than a matter than colours that the 5D can not reproduce (I don't think there is any), I think it's a matter of how colours that are close
(I mean two different hues of the same colour, or neighbouring colours, such as yellow vs orange or yellow vs green) are discernible.
In the 5D image, neighbouring colours seem to "share" a lot. As a result, the perception is muddier.
In the SD14 image, the neighbouring colours appear purer, i.e. less "mixed" between each other.
This is my first impression. I should verify with Ludo's images, but I can not find where I saved them.
For now, it seems to me that Foveon's claim to render colour better than the CMOS, seems to have some foundation in the results.
Ideally, a further step of this comparison would use the very same lens on both cameras. I suspect that the lens can influence a lot.
Ideally, this factor should be zeroed, for the comparison to be more meaningful.
There are my conversions of the images:
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ludoo
Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 1397 Location: Milan, Italy
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:47 am Post subject: |
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ludoo wrote:
Interesting observations Orio. If you want ot cross check with my files, they are here
http://www.zshare.net/download/83773140ecfe7720/ _________________ My galleries
Digital: Samsung EX-1
Past Digital: Samsung NX10, Sigma SD9, Sigma SD10, SD14, DP2, Pentax *istD, Kx, Fuji S2 Pro, Canon 5D
Analog: packfilm Polaroids, 6x9 Kodak folders, Pentacon Taxona half-frame, Fujica ST605n, Walz Envoy, Olympus 35 S-II, Olympus Wide S
Past Analog: Polaroid 600se, Polaroid 110B, Canon IIF, various fixed-lens and Russian rangefinders, ...
Past Lenses: Nikkor 24/2.8, Nikkor SC 50/1.4, Nikkor 50/2, Nikkor H 85/1.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5, Nikkor Q 135/3.5, Fujinon 100/2.8, Fujinon EBC 100/2.8, Fujinon EBC 135/3.5, Fujinon EBC 200/4.5, Mamiya SX 135/2.8, CZJ Flektogon 35/2.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 zebra, CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5, ...
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Xpres
Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 964 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Xpres wrote:
I'll admit that I took the photos. In fact they were taken within minutes of each other at the same exposure and lighting - I don't pay much attention to the date and time on my cam's, I think one must be on summertime.
The same lens, an OM 90/2, was used for both shots.
The correct exposure for one cam' seems not to be the correct one for another.. _________________ Film... and sometimes SD14, 5D2 and some other suff! |
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Keysersoze27
Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 466 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
Orio,
If you don't mind can you use DPP 3.9.2 to convert the RAW of the 5D .. _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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ludoo
Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 1397 Location: Milan, Italy
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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ludoo wrote:
And SPP 4.x fpr the Sigma _________________ My galleries
Digital: Samsung EX-1
Past Digital: Samsung NX10, Sigma SD9, Sigma SD10, SD14, DP2, Pentax *istD, Kx, Fuji S2 Pro, Canon 5D
Analog: packfilm Polaroids, 6x9 Kodak folders, Pentacon Taxona half-frame, Fujica ST605n, Walz Envoy, Olympus 35 S-II, Olympus Wide S
Past Analog: Polaroid 600se, Polaroid 110B, Canon IIF, various fixed-lens and Russian rangefinders, ...
Past Lenses: Nikkor 24/2.8, Nikkor SC 50/1.4, Nikkor 50/2, Nikkor H 85/1.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5, Nikkor Q 135/3.5, Fujinon 100/2.8, Fujinon EBC 100/2.8, Fujinon EBC 135/3.5, Fujinon EBC 200/4.5, Mamiya SX 135/2.8, CZJ Flektogon 35/2.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 zebra, CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5, ...
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:51 am Post subject: Re: 5D vs SD14 colour comparison impression |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
Orio wrote: |
- The second difference is the lens. The lens on the 5D is quite wider, which of course means inferior detail quality at 100%.
Also the image quality of the lens on the Sigma camera appears better than the lens on the Canon, but it's difficult to say how much of it depends on the lens and how much on the sensors (and AA filter). |
Xpres wrote: |
The same lens, an OM 90/2, was used for both shots. |
Uh oh... What is Orio going to do now? _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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