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NewStuff
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 Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: So, I want a wide lens. |
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NewStuff wrote:
I'm looking long and hard at the CZJ 20/2.8. As much as I want one, I could really do with something cheaper (Whatever I use, it stands a good chance of getting Damaged, as it's going underground). Here's a few things that people usually use to pick or recommend lenses, that I simply don't need.
Bokeh - really hard to see in the dark, and largely irrelevant for this type of photography.
Edge sharpness wide open - The lens will rarely see action below f8, and the edges of the frame will usually be dark or have very little illumination.
Maximum Aperture - See above.
The 2 defining factors for me are maximum effective viewing on a 1.6x crop, and sharpness in the centre of the lens (As sharp as possible, I'm not so bothered about falloff unless it's incredibly bad). I would prefer something at the cheaper end of the scale, so I won't be quite as emotional if it does get damaged.
Any idea's or suggestions?
All suggestions appreciated,
NewStuff.
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AhamB
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
If you do not necessarily want a manual lens, something like a second hand Tamron 17-50/2.8 (not the VC version) would most probably be much better value for money than any manual lens. That Tamron is a VERY sharp lens and gives you a ~28mm equivalent on 1.6x crop. |
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CarbonR
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CarbonR wrote:
Cheap and wide does not go together. Solutions : Tokina/Tamron 17/3.5, Samyang 14/2.8.
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eddieitman
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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eddieitman wrote:
Reviews and samples
http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/Vivitar-28mm-F2.8-Close-Focus-for-Pentax.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/vivitar-28mm-close-focus-t29272.html
One on ebay at the moment for £22 BIN
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vivitar-28mm-Wide-angle-Close-up-Lens-/200609324104?pt=UK_Lenses_Filters_Lenses&hash=item2eb53f5c48#ht_500wt_1156
Dont know if that would be any good to you
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
i havent seen any ultrawides under $200 usd, where does that fit on your price scale?
i had a crappy sigma 19-28mm that i got for around $100, but thats long gone...
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RioRico
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RioRico wrote:
As mentioned, WIDE and CHEAP are mutually exclusive. Here are my two widest cheapest primes:
* Fairly fast: Zenitar 16/2.8, under US$200. It is slightly fishy on a crop frame, pretty sharp wide open, very sharp from f/4 onwards. It defishes to 12mm rectilinear equivalent. The front coating can be fragile. (Mine is slightly scraped off.) No protective filter can be placed on its front.
* Slower, cheaper: Tokina-made 21/3.8, variously badged as Soligor, Vivitar, Lentar, etc; under US$100. Also pretty sharp wide open, quite sharp from f/5.6 onwards. Mine has 72mm front thread; going underground, I would put a big cheap Skylight or UV filter on it, for protection.
In-between those, I might use the kit DA18-55 on my Pentax K20D, which I got on the bay for under US$50. I don't know the equivalent for your Canon, but a cheap used kit.lens wouldn't be much loss if damaged.
Another idea: A not-too-cheap WIDE adapter to screw onto your 24 or 30, or onto some cheap 28 if you value those too much. A 0.45x strap-on turns a 28mm prime into a 13mm with cruddy edges and a fairly sharp center. If either the lens or the strap-on is damaged, well, there are plenty more where
THEY came from, eh?
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rbelyell
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rbelyell wrote:
$100 usd on ebay. not great quality, but should fit your criteria:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Contax-Vivitar-19-35mm-f3-5-Ser-1-MM-lens-Nice-Mint-/400211635120?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item5d2e78ebb0#ht_2128wt_922
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Cistron
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Cistron wrote:
I would suggest that you get a Canon or Tamron/Sigma equivalent 18-55mm EF-S kit-lens to go with your D60. Wider than what you eyed earlier and definitely cheaper.
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NewStuff
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NewStuff wrote:
Cheers for the suggestions. I've had a look around and have a few ideas now. Are the newer lenses really sharp? I've tried the kit 18-55 that came with my 400D, but even stopped down, it's pretty shabby at the wide end, but I expected it to be.
As long as it's under 25mm, sharp in the centre, and preferably will take a few knocks and bangs, I'm interested. The cheaper the better, but I'm not averse to saving for the right glass if need be. If the Zeiss 20/25mm is noticeably better than the other offerings, I'll save for it, but if it's a small difference, I'll take a cheaper offering with lower performance.
RioRico. I currently have a cheap .45x screw on that I use on the Pentacon 30. The problem is that it is abysmal anywhere than the centre. Even in the dark, it's visible to most people. It'll stay on for now though, and offers the front of the lens a degree of protection against mishaps.
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Tamron Adaptall-2 24/2.8 is good value at around £40.00 and the Hoya 24/2.8 is also very good in the centre, and cheap if you can find one. As is the Ensinor 24/2.8.
None of these are massively wide, but they are all sharp and cheap!
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cooltouch
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cooltouch wrote:
I have to agree with Cistron here. If you're looking for something cheap that can still take a few hits, and will get down to 20mm while still providing sharp images, why not an 18-55 kit lens? True, they're mostly plastic. But they'll take some banging around before going TU. Plus I've seen gently used copies on eBay in the $50 range. So if it finally breaks, you can buy another one for cheap.
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Scheimpflug wrote:
How about an 18-55 with Image Stabilization? Would that help your type of photography?
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Geoff C. Bassett wrote:
I've rented the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8, HIGHLY recommend. Not cheap, but and absolutely cannot be beat for build quality, sharpness, usability (the push/pull autofocus/manualfocus switcher is fantastic) and wide angle ability. My favorite crop sensor lens.
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I hate the 18-55 kit lens, plastic and will go wrong with regular use, hence so many broken ones on ebay, I have two, both broken.
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cooltouch
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| I hate the 18-55 kit lens, plastic and will go wrong with regular use, hence so many broken ones on ebay, I have two, both broken. |
I assume your talking about the Canon EF lens? First or second version? The first version was a POS. The second one is very good. I have a copy of the second, I've owned it for 2-1/2 years, and it's never missed a lick. But then I don't use it as a hockey puck, either.
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ylyad wrote:
I had similar requirements (purely for landscape, so closed down shots with wide angle on APS-C and lightweight), and went for the Canon kit lens: 18-55 IS. I hesitated for long with the Tamron 17-50 2.8 but decided that I didn't need the extra aperture neither the extra weight nor the extra cost 
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