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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:06 am Post subject: Film Really Is Amazing! Expired & Abused, Still Delivers |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
It is all too easy to get caught up in the "instant gratification" of digital, and forget just how amazing film is as an image capture medium. Be it severe exposure mistakes, improper storage, past its expiration, or even rough handling bordering on abuse- at the end of the day, film delivers in a way that is truly remarkable.
Here is one of my most recent test shots. I just wanted to see if the film was any good, so pretty much every step of the way is flat-out wrong, yet... it still worked!
* Kodak color aerial film, expired in 1979 (32 years past expiration!)
* Not stored properly (for who knows how long?) AND from a water-damaged box
* A piece was rough cut from the sheet with scissors, and stuck into my Pentax P50 in the changing bag
* Shot at ISO 12, a random guess (+3 from what I thought it was intended to be). Since I just had a chunk of film in the camera, there was no ability to bracket exposures - I had just one shot.
* Jammed into a developing spool sideways (across the reel flanges lengthwise), since my cut of film wasn't the right shape to stay in the spool the correct way
* Cross-processed as B&W, instead of whatever aerial color process the film was intended for
* Developed in a handmade batch of Caffenol, mixed with only half of the ingredients (I only had the coffee and washing soda, but no vitamin-C or potassium bromide), and made without any measuring or weighing of any ingredients. I developed for an amount of time guesstimated based on dunking a second piece in the same mixture and watching the color change, and at a lower temperature since the emulsion sogged off of my test piece in the warm developer.
* Washed in tap water, fixed in Kodak fixer (cold from sitting on the floor), and washed again in tap water. No temperatures were checked at all, for any step of the process, and the temperatures were not consistent.
* Fixed for 50+ minutes with agitation (this is how long it took for a test strip to *partially* clear)
I let the negative dry, cut it again to fit a film holder, and scanned it on my trusty old Epson 1640 SU upside-down since the curl was so severe... and what did I get? This:
Sure, it reticulated like mad from the temperature extremes... but, holy crap- it's an image!
Has anyone else taken film through hell and back, and been surprised or pleased by the results? _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5017 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Amazing! _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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mmelvis
Joined: 24 May 2010 Posts: 1326 Location: Florida,USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:43 am Post subject: |
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mmelvis wrote:
Very nice. What is the actual size of this film? |
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
mmelvis wrote: |
Very nice. What is the actual size of this film? |
Massive. 9.5 inches by 125 feet. (241.3 mm x 38.1 meters)
My changing bag was barely big enough to get the spool out of the can!
I have since learned that this film required a formaldehyde-based pre-hardener, before the developer... so that would also explain part of why the emulsion was so soft and the reticulation so severe. _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Film Really Is Amazing! Expired & Abused, Still Deli |
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cooltouch wrote:
Scheimpflug wrote: |
Has anyone else taken film through hell and back, and been surprised or pleased by the results? |
Well, the closest I've come is using Plus-X that's almost 30 years old. Still have about 7 or 8 rolls left. But it's still behaving more or less normally during development, and the results are acceptable. But my dad, there's another story. I don't know what happened to some of the rolls of B&W he shot and probably had developed while he served in Korea during the war, but it looks like it went through the war, that's no joke.
1st pic was entrance to the outfit he was stationed with. Next two are pics of a couple of his friends. Got a bunch more like this.
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 960 Location: Austin
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
I've used a lot of very old film. Here are some images from verichome pan, rolls expired between 1963 and 1969 - 127 format.
You'd hardly know the film was 40 years expired! Unless you saw the negatives. All of these images were printed with a number 5 filter, and number 5 filter only because the film was rather fogged split filtering or trying to use anything less only produced muddy images. But printed with the contrast "way up" they came out pretty clear.
I've used some other old films, but Verichome Pan seems to stay the best. |
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
cooltouch, Mos6502, these are all excellent results! Two very different situations as well - the durability of film after development, and the pre-exposure useful life well beyond expiration.
cooltouch - your father's photos are remarkably sharp! Were these medium format, and do you happen to know what type of camera he used? _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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stingOM
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 3168 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
Amazing stuff! |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Scheimpflug wrote: |
cooltouch, Mos6502, these are all excellent results! Two very different situations as well - the durability of film after development, and the pre-exposure useful life well beyond expiration.
cooltouch - your father's photos are remarkably sharp! Were these medium format, and do you happen to know what type of camera he used? |
My dad used a Kodak Pony 135 when he was in Korea. The old Pony 135 was a range-focus camera with a body that was mostly bakelite, and which had a Kodak lens of some sort. I've found that, for the most part, dad was pretty good with his range focusing, but occasionally it would be off some.
My sister and I don't know whatever happened to his camera, but I've been considering picking one up on eBay or shopgoodwill.com. It's pretty common still. _________________ Michael
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barnaby
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 59 Location: Hampshire UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:57 am Post subject: |
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barnaby wrote:
I have recently developed my first roll of 35mm, and the results were OK for a first attempt. But the best for me was a roll that I had left in an old Argus A camera. The results were scratched and covered in flecks of chipped paint from the camera, it had that real old look.
I didn't develop the next photo but I did take it using a Yashica Mat camera that I rebuilt. The negative has been on my desk for over a year and has picked up some dust and scratches, but I think it adds to the character. My scanner arrived yesterday in the post, so I was pleased to finally see this image of our chickens, it also confirms that i should use my Yashica Mat more.
_________________ If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
That's fantastic!!
Try this with a CMOS/CCD.
All jokes aside, it is really amazing how well you were able to get an image out of this. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
That Mat image is fantastic, Barnaby. But then I'm biased, being the owner of a Mat 124 (not the G).
Zapp-Branigan requested more photos of my Dad's from his time in Korea. At the time, I didn't really have much available. But now I have quite a few up at my Gallery, both Kodachrome and B&W. Click on the page numbers or right arrow to advance through the pages of photos:
http://michaelmcbroom.com/gallery3/index.php/korea_1952-54?page=1 _________________ Michael
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barnaby
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 59 Location: Hampshire UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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barnaby wrote:
Thanks cooltouch, yes the same here mine is not the 'G' version, not that there is much differences between the two anyway.
I'm liking the photo's your Dad took in Korea 1952-54, I find these types of images very fascinating. _________________ If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
barnaby wrote: |
Thanks cooltouch, yes the same here mine is not the 'G' version, not that there is much differences between the two anyway.
I'm liking the photo's your Dad took in Korea 1952-54, I find these types of images very fascinating. |
Thanks, hope you enjoy them.
I find there's something special about the Yashinon lens that Yashica put in the Mats. Your photo of the chickens really emphasizes it. It's a sort of 3D quality that reminds me very much of daguerreotypes. And I think daguerreotypes are cool. _________________ Michael
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barnaby
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 59 Location: Hampshire UK
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barnaby wrote:
Yes I understand what you are saying with regards to daguerreotypes, I have been thinking of trying some stain developer like one of the Pyro's to enhance this effect. I too like the look of daguerreotypes and think some good results could be had with such combinations of developer, camera and lens.
I have just bought the Darkroom cook book so will learn how to make up some developer first, one step at a time. _________________ If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Coffee developer might be just what you're looking for. It actually does a very nice job. Google it and you'll get plenty of hits showing the results you can expect. _________________ Michael
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