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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Adaptall-2.org Additions and Improvements Reply with quote
At Attila's suggestion, I'm starting this thread, to ask the members here at MFLenses what they would like to see at Adaptall-2.org.

I think that its basic layout is perfectly acceptable. It's clear, concise, and easy to maneuver around in. It might could use some minor sprucing up, I'm thinking, but nothing much beyond that. So I'm interested more in additional content, such as:

Lenses that are missing from the lists that should be included. Information and specs on these lenses. If Modern Photography tests are available, that would be really helpful.

Test data for any lenses that are already present but which lack it, such as Modern Photography tests or their equivalent.

You know how the author (presumably Marcus) has comments on some of the lenses, discussing their strong points and weaknesses? Any comments like this for lenses that don't have them -- especially the older ones -- would be nice. Succinct, to the point, with definitive information.

I'm wondering also if a section (or sections) showing actual photographic examples from the various lenses might also be useful. What do you think?

Any other suggestions? Attila is very busy at this time working on improving MFLenses, but would liks to see Adaptall-2.org improved as well, so this is a task that's been delegated to us, in a sense. I'm up to it. What say you?


PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If people have comment on a lens it would be nice if you open a topic for those comments at Manual Focus Lenses section and people able to comment here and you link these topics at Adaptall-2.org.

It would be easier than copy and paste to Adaptall-2.org code and help to both site to get more popular.


Also would be nice if you do links for lens samples , people who visit Adaptall-2.org able to see immediately samples taken with those lenses.

Samples either can come from forum, mflenses.com Gallery , from Flickr , members blog etc. We can help to each other to spread information about Tamrons.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It certainly could do with updating and filling in all the gaps. At the moment it has an unfinished feel about it - like marcus just left the room.
More links will surely make both sites more popular, but I think content such as real world shots from the lenses and, perhaps, mini reviews of each lens would be better in the site itself.
I'd be happy to help if I can as I'm a bit of an adaptall fan.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Okay, so far that's three of us, including Attila, who feel that example photographs should be added. So this is definitely one area that we'll want to look at. So do we want our photos to exemplify lens performance, as in resolution, as well? If so, then I think we'll need to set some guidelines, or else doing so can become problematic. Typically we like to show a 100% crop of an image to show lens performance. But a 100% crop from a 10 megapixel DSLR is likely not going to resolve the same amount of detail a 100% crop from a 21 megapixel camera will. Thus, I suggest that the person who contributes the photo include information about the camera used as well as exposure settings, including ISO. If the image is film, then we should mention the scanning method and resolution settings of the scanning device -- hopefully ignoring the whole film vs. digital debate. Cool Does this sound reasonable?

As for the way to display the photos, I think the method that unfortunately will require the most amount of work is probably also the method that will have the most permanence. And it will also be the most consistent. As we all know, as time goes by, links tend to get broken after a while as people discontinue their relationships with various service providers, or as the service providers themselves change or change their policies, thus information is lost. If the photos are stored at adaptall-2.org, this won't happen. The initial drawback is, as I mentioned, that it will require more work than if we just provide links to photos located offsite.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
To put photos into current structure is a huge job... I don't think so good idea to doing with a hand coded html page.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If it's easily doable, I would recommend fixing the Adaptall2 page so that it works in Firefox. At the moment it doesn't, although does in IE.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
William,

Just out of curiosity, what is it about adaptll-2.org that doesn't work with Firefox? I just visited it with Firefox and browsed around through several pages, clicking on links, and everything seemed to be fine.

Last edited by cooltouch on Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:30 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
To put photos into current structure is a huge job... I don't think so good idea to doing with a hand coded html page.


Well, I guess I was thinking about maybe one or two example images for each lens. That wouldn't be too time consuming. But if we wanted to set it up so anybody/everybody could post an example, then, yeah, that won't work. Unless you set up a forum over there too. Urk. Shocked


PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I keep my suggestion to link here and to mflenses.com/gallery

I did develop already a forum search link

http://forum.mflenses.com/fs.php?sw=Nikon 28mm

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/Tamron/?


PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Firefox seems OK from here.
There is a latest news and notes page - maybe that could be turned into a kind of blog with the latest examples and external as well as embeded links. Maybe if the 'job' were done slowly, a piece at a time, it wouldn't seem so onerous.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
cooltouch wrote:
I think that its basic layout is perfectly acceptable. It's clear, concise, and easy to maneuver around in. It might could use some minor sprucing up, I'm thinking, but nothing much beyond that.

Attila wrote:
To put photos into current structure is a huge job... I don't think so good idea to doing with a hand coded html page.


I agree with both of you... and I think the best solution would be a mixture of the two approaches: to maximize the "immediate usefulness" of the adaptall-2 site with as much factual/technical information as possible, yet still leverage the forums here to provide a convenient and in-depth set of user opinions and samples.

This would involve creating one thread per lens (<100 total?), and adding one link to each existing page. The HTML work would be minimal, the housekeeping/maintenance would be minimal, and it would make it easy for people to add opinions and samples (via the forum). The text on the site would only need to be updated when corrections come up, new models are discovered, etc. The data-dense efficiency of the main site would be preserved, and we wouldn't have to fuss with "moderating" the user samples or worrying about which sample is the best one to put on each page. (To be completely clear: Sample images would not be hosted or displayed on the actual pages at Adaptall-2.org - they would instead be in the threads here on MFLenses, complete with their relevant discussions, camera information, etc).



I'll give a few examples of some possible updates:

The Adaptematic 28/2.8 page can be found here:
http://adaptall-2.org/lenses/PFH-28Au.html
It references four variants of the lens, yet pictures only two, and without optical diagrams. Should we find photos of the other two designs, or the missing optical diagrams, then absolutely that page should be updated. But beyond that, all that would be needed is a single link to the forum for samples & opinions. Any user who had a sample could post it in the thread, or discuss the variations, etc.

I would also think that the Adaptall index page:
http://adaptall-2.org/lenses/Adaptall_LensIndex.html
could be updated with photos to match the style of the other index pages, for example:
http://adaptall-2.org/lenses/Adaptall-2_LensIndex.html

Really just some tidying up, that's all. Let me know if you need help with it.


William wrote:
If it's easily doable, I would recommend fixing the Adaptall2 page so that it works in Firefox. At the moment it doesn't, although does in IE.


This was brought up in one of the other threads, and another user mentioned that the structure of the pages was tripping up the filter in AdBlock Plus. I tried disabling AdBlock for adaptall-2.org, and it fixes the issues in Firefox. I would agree though, that this is something that could be changed to avoid the issue.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
I keep my suggestion to link here and to mflenses.com/gallery

I did develop already a forum search link

http://forum.mflenses.com/fs.php?sw=Nikon 28mm

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/Tamron/?


Yes, the gallery link to Tamron will work very well. My only suggestion would be to organize it a bit further into the different styles of lenses that Tamron produced, e.g., AD, AD-2, Adaptamatic, T-mount, etc.

I make this suggestion because it will be easier for the visitor to find a specific lens . . . unless you want to link a specific lens at adaptall-2.org to its location at the gallery? Too much work?

Scheimpflug, it sounds as if you already have quite a bit of experience at this. Your suggestions are good ones, methinks. I think my skills would perhaps better be put to use on an authorial/editorial level anyway.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lens manuals. Here's one you can use: http://forum.mflenses.com/tamron-sp-60-300mm-f-3-8-5-4-model-23a-owners-manual-t32885.html


PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
cooltouch wrote:
Attila wrote:
I keep my suggestion to link here and to mflenses.com/gallery

I did develop already a forum search link

http://forum.mflenses.com/fs.php?sw=Nikon 28mm

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/Tamron/?


Yes, the gallery link to Tamron will work very well. My only suggestion would be to organize it a bit further into the different styles of lenses that Tamron produced, e.g., AD, AD-2, Adaptamatic, T-mount, etc.

I make this suggestion because it will be easier for the visitor to find a specific lens . . . unless you want to link a specific lens at adaptall-2.org to its location at the gallery? Too much work?



Not too much, due items in Gallery linkable I will give you right to make a brand new structure and link items to there from existing ones. New structure will looks like you did upload images to there , but enough to link them with a few mouse clicks.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think it needs to stay uncluttered. I like the simple layout. Maybe just a few good and bad points listed.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Scheimpflug wrote:


I would also think that the Adaptall index page:
http://adaptall-2.org/lenses/Adaptall_LensIndex.html
could be updated with photos to match the style of the other index pages, for example:
http://adaptall-2.org/lenses/Adaptall-2_LensIndex.html



I thought the different styles were supposed to represent the style or at least colour scheme used on the packaging of the specific line ie: Adaptal 1 lenses had a lot of red in the packaging where as Adaptall 2 tended to have blue

I think I have one or two Adaptall 1 boxes, maybe we could try and recreate a little of the artwork in the same way they have used the logo on the adaptall 2 index


PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
martinsmith99 wrote:
I think it needs to stay uncluttered. I like the simple layout. Maybe just a few good and bad points listed.

I agree. The way it is right now, the good and bad points are editorialized as part of each lens's description in some of the listings. This works fine, I think.

Currently, the Adaptamatic, AD-2, and SP AD-2 lenses are set up so each lens has a page describing the lens with graphics, and perhaps some editorial comments and several (most?) have Modern Photography tests shown. But the Adaptall lenses are using links to Japanese language pages from the Tamron site that are then translated by Google. We need to set these up so they look the same or similar to the other three lens categories, and do away with linking to Japanese language pages on Tamron's site.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
fatdeeman wrote:
Scheimpflug wrote:


I would also think that the Adaptall index page:
http://adaptall-2.org/lenses/Adaptall_LensIndex.html
could be updated with photos to match the style of the other index pages, for example:
http://adaptall-2.org/lenses/Adaptall-2_LensIndex.html



I thought the different styles were supposed to represent the style or at least colour scheme used on the packaging of the specific line ie: Adaptal 1 lenses had a lot of red in the packaging where as Adaptall 2 tended to have blue

I think I have one or two Adaptall 1 boxes, maybe we could try and recreate a little of the artwork in the same way they have used the logo on the adaptall 2 index


Well, the site is already pretty much following that scheme except for the Adaptall listings only. Yes, the red/black scheme will be used, I'm sure.
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