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mutabot
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 33
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:51 am Post subject: Uncommon primes roundup (2xFujinon, Tamron 28, Jupiter-3) |
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mutabot wrote:
Hi All,
EDIT: Updated with images from Voigtlander 40/1.4 "Nokton Classic" http://forum.mflenses.com/uncommon-primes-roundup-2xfujinon-tamron-28-jupiter-3-t29379.html#1046564
Though I'm not a very active MF-lenses collector, I have recently acquired a few. Some, like 28mm Tamron, to shoot remaining film leftovers that I still keep in the fridge. Others, like Jupiter-3, for uniqueness and as a challenge to adapt.
Been using these for a few month now, and have finally decided to do a formal test, that can be presented for a public's judgment.
Please post your thoughts on these lenses, I'm especially interested in what you think about Jupiter-3 as a portrait lens on 4/3 digital.
All test shots are done on Panasonic GH1 digital camera. Panasonic 20mm/1.7 lens is used as a benchmark.
EDIT: Panasonic 20mm samples in this post are automatically software corrected in raw conversion utility.
EDIT2: See my other post http://forum.mflenses.com/uncommon-primes-roundup-2xfujinon-tamron-28-jupiter-3-t29379.html#1041239 for uncorrected samples of this lens
It is not a scientifically accurate test -- light conditions did change during the test, camera position was moved, and exposure was set to auto.
Each lens starts from full image and a 100% crop @ 8 that is followed by crops to the widest aperture for the lens.
Participants : X-Fujinar T 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Jupiter-3 50/1.5, X-Fujinon 50/1.9, Panasonic 20/1.7
First Panasonic 20/1.7 @ 2.8 to establish a baseline:
Tamron 28/2.5 @ 8
Tamron 28/2.5 @ 5.6
Tamron 28/2.5 @ 4
Tamron 28/2.5 @ 2.5
X-Fujinon 50/1.9 @ 8
X-Fujinon 50/1.9 @ 5.6
X-Fujinon 50/1.9 @ 4
X-Fujinon 50/1.9 @ 2.8
X-Fujinon 50/1.9 @ 1.9
Jupiter-3 50/1.5 @ 8
Jupiter-3 50/1.5 @ 5.6
Jupiter-3 50/1.5 @ 4
Jupiter-3 50/1.5 @ 2.8
Jupiter-3 50/1.5 @ 2.0
Jupiter-3 50/1.5 @ 1.5
X-Fujinar T 135/2.8 @ 8
X-Fujinar T 135/2.8 @ 5.6
X-Fujinar T 135/2.8 @ 4
X-Fujinar T 135/2.8 @ 2.8
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5017 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Interesting...on my monitor the Fuji lenses are not very good but maybe the small beam of sunlight into the lens doesn't help. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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pat donnelly
Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 666 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:41 am Post subject: Tests |
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pat donnelly wrote:
Very useful! Thanks.
I particularly like the very contrasty light, as it demonstrates the flare at wide open of the older lenses which is an important asset, particularly on a 4/3 sensor.
It is inevitable that some image degradation occurs in such circumstances, but the other forms of test neglect the real use of these lenses and may be suspect from that point of view.
Please feel encouraged to continue! _________________ ---------------------------------
EP-1, E-410, E-300, D100, D1,
C-Mt: 25mm 1.9, 75mm 1.4, 75mm 1.3, 75mm 1.9, Ultra wides, one inch sensor, 20+ c-mount zooms
OM 350mm f2.8, Nikkor 180 f2.8, Exa 180 f2.8,
Tamrons: 90mm f2.5, 500mm f8 x3, 135 f2.5, 200 f3.5, 24mm 2.5, 28mm 2.5 x8,
FD 500mm mirror lens |
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:33 am Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
Aaaagh!! I hate to see lenses resting on their rear elements unprotected! _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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Scheimpflug
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1888 Location: New Zealand / USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
DigiChromeEd wrote: |
Aaaagh!! I hate to see lenses resting on their rear elements unprotected! |
Don't worry - not every lens has glass as its rearmost resting point. _________________ Sigma DP1, Nikon D40 (hers ), Polaroid x530, Pentax P30t, Pentax P50, (P30t/P50 K-A to Nikon F body mount conversion)
Nikon: 18-55/3.5-5.6 "G ED II DX" (F) Soligor: 28/2.8 (FL->F converted), 135/3.5 (F), 3x TC (F, modified) Kalimar: 28-85/3.5 (F)
Vivitar: 70-210/2.8-4.0 Version 3 (F), Tele 500/6.3 Preset (F), 19/3.8 (F) Minolta: 300/5.6 (SR/MC/MD pending F conversion)
Tamron: 28/2.8 (Adaptall) Panagor: 28/2.5 (FD) Aetna: 300/5.6 (F) Osawa: MC 28/2.8 (F)
Vintage Lenses: Dallmeyer: 1940s A.M. 14in 356mm f4 (ULF->M42) 1930s Adon Telephoto Taylor, Taylor & Hobson: 1880s Rapid Rectilinear 8 1/2 x 6 1/2 11.31in f/8 (LF->?)
Parts Lenses: Nikon 35-135/3.5-4.5 (F), Sigma 70-210/4.5 (F), Nikon 50/1.8 Series E (F) |
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mutabot
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 33
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:14 am Post subject: |
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mutabot wrote:
Excalibur wrote: |
Interesting...on my monitor the Fuji lenses are not very good but maybe the small beam of sunlight into the lens doesn't help. |
For me the Fuji 50/1.9 is a below average performer, but I'm actually surprised by the X-Fujinar T 135/2.8. It is sharp and contrasty even on 4/3 sensor.
Here is another example from X-Fujinar T 135/2.8:
and the fine print on containers is perfectly readable on enlargement.
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mutabot
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 33
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: |
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mutabot wrote:
Scheimpflug wrote: |
DigiChromeEd wrote: |
Aaaagh!! I hate to see lenses resting on their rear elements unprotected! |
Don't worry - not every lens has glass as its rearmost resting point. |
Yep, that's right, there was no glass to surface contact. |
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:22 am Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
mutabot wrote: |
Scheimpflug wrote: |
DigiChromeEd wrote: |
Aaaagh!! I hate to see lenses resting on their rear elements unprotected! |
Don't worry - not every lens has glass as its rearmost resting point. |
Yep, that's right, there was no glass to surface contact. |
Good, glad to hear that. I'd made a mental note not to buy any lenses from you. Btw, your shot of the containers is excellent - maybe a tighter crop would make it even better _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:52 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I had high hopes for a few of those lenses but they all seem rather poor and the winner for me is the Panasonic. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7553 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I had high hopes for a few of those lenses but they all seem rather poor and the winner for me is the Panasonic. |
I heard that there was software correction on the m4/3 cameras when using their AF lens. It may be unfair when we compare it to other lenses. |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I had high hopes for a few of those lenses but they all seem rather poor and the winner for me is the Panasonic. |
I heard that there was software correction on the m4/3 cameras when using their AF lens. It may be unfair when we compare it to other lenses. |
wiki about CA wrote: |
All Nikon DSLR's with C-MOS sensor and all Panasonic Lumix DSLR's, additionally some Nikon and Panasonic compact cameras, do such processing automatically in camera for JPEGs. Nikon DSLR's additionally store correction-data in RAW-files for use by Nikon Capture, View NX and some other RAW tools |
Sony sensor of Nikon have also hardware noise reduction that cannot be removed from raw
distortion, Ca, vigneting, colors will be soon tweaked in all cam _________________ T* |
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mutabot
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 33
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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mutabot wrote:
To be a bit more fair to Panasonic Lumix 20mm lens, I'm posting uncorrected samples @ 2.8 and 1.7 apertures below:
Panasonic Lumix 20mm @ 2.8 full shot and crop
Panasonic Lumix 20mm @ 1.7 crop
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mutabot
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 33
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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mutabot wrote:
Now let's add Voigtlander 40/1.4 "Nokton Classic" to this test.
Focused at "U" on the lens cap.
Full image @ 8
Crop @8
@5.6
@4
@2.8
@2
@1.4
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