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ManualFocus-G
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 Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: Hanimex Wide-Auto 21mm f3.8 v Nikon 20mm f4 |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I found this one on the bay, looking lost. Was very interested to see how it performed compared to my Nikon Ai 20/4.
The lens lacks contrast @ f3.8:
But improves noticeably @ f4:
Here's the Nikon @ f4:
The Nikon images appear slightly warmer.
Let's look at centre crops!
Hanimex @ f4
Nikon @ f4
The Hanimex looks sharper, perhaps we can forgive the Nikon as the lens was shot wide open, whereas the Hanimex was (slightly) stopped down.
Top left time:
Hanimex @ f4
Nikon @ f4
The Nikon clearly wins here.
OK, now for bottom right:
Hanimex @ f4
Nikon @ f4
The Nikon is again way sharper in the corners.
But we'd normally shoot at f8 or so with a lens this wide, so let's see them at f8.
Hanimex @ f8
Nikon @ f8
Centre crop time:
Hanimex @ f8
Nikon @ f8
Time for top left crops:
Hanimex @ f8
Nikon @ f8
Bottom right time:
Hanimex @ f8
Nikon @ f8
Conclusion
The Hanimex appears sharper in the centre. This could be due to focusing error or the scratches on its front element! For corners, the Nikon blows the old Hanimex away!
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symphonic
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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symphonic wrote:
Aside from the corner performance, not at all bad for the Hanimex. Pretty much usable. How much did it cost you, Graham?
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
About £40.00 I think. I was intrigued!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Tokina? Click here to see on Ebay.de
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: Hanimex Wide-Auto 21mm f3.8 v Nikon 20mm f4 |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Let's look at centre crops!
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Nikon @ f4
The Hanimex looks sharper, perhaps we can forgive the Nikon as the lens was shot wide open, whereas the Hanimex was (slightly) stopped down.
Top left time:
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Nikon @ f4
The Nikon clearly wins here.
OK, now for bottom right:
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Nikon @ f4
The Nikon is again way sharper in the corners.
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Conclusion
The Hanimex appears sharper in the centre. This could be due to focusing error or the scratches on its front element! For corners, the Nikon blows the old Hanimex away! |
Looking at these samples, I almost wonder if your Nikon suffers from a decentering problem?
The top left corner at f4 only really "clearly won" because the Hanimex was so bad... but just comparing between the Nikon crops, the upper left crop isn't nearly as sharp as the lower right. And to me, the lower right crop looks significantly sharper than the center crop!
Can you see any signs of physical damage on the Nikon, anything that could have slightly skewed the whole lens? Or do you know if it has been taken apart in the past?
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Good spot, deffo the Tokina!
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Hanimex Wide-Auto 21mm f3.8 v Nikon 20mm f4 |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| Scheimpflug wrote: |
Looking at these samples, I almost wonder if your Nikon suffers from a decentering problem?
The top left corner at f4 only really "clearly won" because the Hanimex was so bad... but just comparing between the Nikon crops, the upper left crop isn't nearly as sharp as the lower right. And to me, the lower right crop looks significantly sharper than the center crop!
Can you see any signs of physical damage on the Nikon, anything that could have slightly skewed the whole lens? Or do you know if it has been taken apart in the past? |
It doesn't look like the lens has been taken apart, but the front is covered in fine scratches. I will take some more shots with the lens, preferably of something straight on (the church is angled which may explain a focus shift...). I will also try another adapter, just in case.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I have this in the Soligor T4 version - its a Tokina indeed.
I have the same conclusions as to its weaknesses, the corners aren't great even on a crop-sensor.
The other problem to look for is flare. Mine can get pretty spectacular that way.
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Attila wrote:
Not bad at all with post processing it will be a capable performer.
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Nothing much in it, but neither look spectacular. The Hanimex looks as I expected; average and very usable stopped down. The Nikon isn't really an improvement.
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Thanks for the comments all, I should add that these were all taken on full frame (5D).
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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agent_cooper wrote:
| luisalegria wrote: |
I have this in the Soligor T4 version - its a Tokina indeed.
I have the same conclusions as to its weaknesses, the corners aren't great even on a crop-sensor.
The other problem to look for is flare. Mine can get pretty spectacular that way. |
I own a 28mm Hanimex and the coating gives me gorgeos retro lens flares.
Can I see a sample of the 21mm with harsh light striking its front element????? 
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Chayelle wrote:
I have the Vivitar Auto Wide-angle 21mm f3.8 with 67mm filter.
Are mine and your Hanimex lenses related, I wonder...?
I think I read were mine, at least, was marketed under different
names. So, if they are related I wonder if I might expect similar
results?
Nice testing for these two lenses... 
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elliott
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elliott wrote:
| Chayelle wrote: |
I have the Vivitar Auto Wide-angle 21mm f3.8 with 67mm filter.
Are mine and your Hanimex lenses related, I wonder...?
I think I read were mine, at least, was marketed under different
names. So, if they are related I wonder if I might expect similar
results?
Nice testing for these two lenses... |
I have the Super-Lentar 21mm f3.8 made by Tokina, which should be identical to the Hanimex, it has a 72mm filter. What is the serial number of your Vivitar? |
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Chayelle wrote:
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| What is the serial number of your Vivitar? |
The serial # 37900xxxx...
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elliott wrote:
| Chayelle wrote: |
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| What is the serial number of your Vivitar? |
The serial # 37900xxxx... |
That would make it a Tokina, so optically it is probably identical to the Hanimex also, maybe Vivitar specified a different filter size. |
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Chayelle wrote:
Thanks for the info Elliott...
Is there a site with listings and serial #'s for Tokina
and other brands. I know the Nikon site, but would
also like to have info for some of these other brands....
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elliott wrote:
| Chayelle wrote: |
Thanks for the info Elliott...
Is there a site with listings and serial #'s for Tokina
and other brands. I know the Nikon site, but would
also like to have info for some of these other brands....
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It gets confusing, only some brands have a known scheme for serial numbers.
Here is a list for Vivitar branded lenses: http://www.cameraquest.com/VivLensManuf.htm |
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Chayelle wrote:
Thanks Elliott...
looks pretty helpful!
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