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verdurina
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 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: which lens f 1.2 M42? |
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verdurina wrote:
There are M42 mount lenses with F1.2?
I found only Tomioka 55mm ... can someone make a list?
thanks!
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casualcollector wrote:
Yashica, Chinon, Cosina and some distributor labels. All originated at Tomioka, a Yashica subsidiary.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Joosep wrote:
http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/42mm_screw_lenses
The 55 1.2 Tominon should be the only 1.2 M42 in the world.
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verdurina
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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verdurina wrote:
THX very usefull!
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
Why? I've got a Yashinon, a Porst and a Canon. All 55mm, and all f/1.2...
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| The 55 1.2 Tominon should be the only 1.2 M42 in the world. |
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exaklaus wrote:
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Why? I've got a Yashinon, a Porst and a Canon. All 55mm, and all f/1.2...
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| The 55 1.2 Tominon should be the only 1.2 M42 in the world. |
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M42!
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no-X
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:34 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
There are two f/1.2 optical formulas for M42. Yashica/Tomioka 55/1.2 and Yashica/Tomioka DS-M 55/1.2. Optical formula should be slightly different.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
| Joosep wrote: |
http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/42mm_screw_lenses
The 55 1.2 Tominon should be the only 1.2 M42 in the world. |
There is at least one more...
Here is the M42 85/1.2 from the Cyclop night vision units:
(Image from cameramate.com. I was going to link to the sale, but I can't find it on their site?)
Note that they have a HUGE protruding rear element... Farside has one, here are his comments and pictures from another thread:
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| Aoleg> That looks like the 1.2/85 that the others have said to avoid. I'm not sure why. Maybe the weight is the issue? 1.2/85 does sound very nice. |
Hah! That's exactly what I thought, but the 1.2 has a ^*^(^&*$! pokey-outy collimating element at the rear which uttterly eliminates mounting it on a normal M42 mount. The rear element can be removed, but its housing remains in place, such that the lens has to be stripped to remove it.
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So it meets the criteria of "M42" and "f/1.2"... it just isn't especially practical. 
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
The Yashinon is M42 - it's got the weird looking cutout rear element.
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M42!
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exaklaus wrote:
| Mal1905 wrote: |
The Yashinon is M42 - it's got the weird looking cutout rear element.
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M42!
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Yes, but the Porst and Canon...
Know that Yashinon pretty well.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Why F1.2? I've avoided them as they are expensive and not very impressive wide open.
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verdurina
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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verdurina wrote:
I found a beautifull m42 Auto Chinon by Tomioka 55mm f1.4, I think taht is a very nice lens!
...but ...i see...the rear elements is very inusual...is possible that the mirror of my canon 450D can hit the lense?
what about this lens? is good?
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
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| ...is possible that the mirror of my canon 450D can hit the lense? |
Nope, but 5D hits. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
verdurina: All the lenses based on Tomioka 55/1.4 optical design are good. Some of them are really exceptional (depends build quality + quality controll). A few years ago I made a mistake - I sold the best copy of 55/1.4 I have ever had - it was sharp, it had zero CA and very unsyntetic natural rendering... But even average copies are very good. Similar level to 50/1.4 Takumars or old Planars - only slightly less contrasty (single-coated optics)
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verdurina
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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verdurina wrote:
ok, thanks!
If I understand well, it is sone vendor manifactured by tomioka:
Cosina
Revuenon
Chinon
Yashica
all is 55mm f1.4.
wath is better?
I am oriented on cosina...
edit:
I found this...mayby can be usefull...
http://www.tomioka.de/e_55mm-Dateien/e_55mm_revuenon.htm
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no-X
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I have no idea, who was the real manufacturers of these lenses. There are many different models of Revueonon 55/1.4 - the same applies for Cosinon etc. Some users prefer models with metal focusing ring over models with rubber ring, but I think luck is more important than these superstitions 
You can find lenses, which have exactly the same look, only the manufacturers ring is different. This tomioka-based 55/1.4 was the best I had...
it had white lettering for meters, green lettering for feets, lens was black, A/M switch was black, only the part under A/M switch was silver... coating color was very atypical tint of yellowish-goldish-something
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