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 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: Rossman HR 200 print film |
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Attila wrote:
I bought yesterday this store chain film, I did read on box it is a high resolution film... Any experience ?
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Scheimpflug
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Rossman HR 200 print film |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| I bought yesterday this store chain film, I did read on box it is a high resolution film... Any experience ? |
Is it this film?
http://www.rossmann.de/qualitaetsmarken/alle-marken/artikeldetails/rqm/Product/show/film-hr-200-135-36.html
Looks pretty generic... I wonder who makes it?
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Attila
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Yes, that one. I read on box Made in Japan based on this information I think this is an entry level Fuji film.
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Scheimpflug
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Scheimpflug wrote:
Does it have the Fuji-style plastic container inside the box? My Legacy Pro B&W film, which is rebranded Fuji, has the exact same plastic containers as the color Fuji from the supermarkets...
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Attila
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| Scheimpflug wrote: |
| Does it have the Fuji-style plastic container inside the box? My Legacy Pro B&W film, which is rebranded Fuji, has the exact same plastic containers as the color Fuji from the supermarkets... |
I will compare it, good idea.
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ForenSeil
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ForenSeil wrote:
Sorry for being thread-necrophilic but I've just found out that the film is actually Fuji Superia 200
I like it very much.
3pack costs 2,85€ here. I would resell if someone is interested.
Colors and resolution are great imho. Much better than Kodak 200 or Fuji C200
http://blog.flickr.net/de/2011/11/29/fuji-superia-200-samplr-2/
http://photo.net/film-and-processing-forum/00UCbd
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1288824&postcount=23
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Thanks for being helpful...but how do you know it's superia 200?
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ForenSeil
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
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Thanks for being helpful...but how do you know it's superia 200? |
It's made in Japan --> that means it's made by Fuji. It's also in my own experience visibly better than Fuji C200 while Fujia produces only C200 and Superia 200 as 35mm color neg. film in the ISO 200 range. Plus a guy in a German Forum said that he compared both and that they are 100% identical
So I'm pretty sure it's Superia
Need some? The film seems to be much more expensive in the UK when I compare the prices on Ebay
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
| ForenSeil wrote: |
| Excalibur wrote: |
Thanks for being helpful...but how do you know it's superia 200? |
It's made in Japan --> that means it's made by Fuji. It's also in my own experience visibly better than Fuji C200 while Fujia produces only C200 and Superia 200 as 35mm color neg. film in the ISO 200 range. Plus a guy in a German Forum said that he compared both and that they are 100% identical
So I'm pretty sure it's Superia
Need some? The film seems to be much more expensive in the UK when I compare the prices on Ebay |
Thanks again for being helpful, but we can get a version of Fuji in the UK for £1 and it's called Asta Vista plus, but no one can say for certain that it's Superia 200 
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Attila
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Ok my version is also different I don't think so either fuji c200 or superia LOL, both 'real' fuji did look different to me.
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ForenSeil
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ForenSeil wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Ok my version is also different I don't think so either fuji c200 or superia LOL, both 'real' fuji did look different to me. |
Hmm that's weird! Did you like the film film?
For me as said it easily beats the C200 or especially the Kodak 200
Here's and old test of German drugstore/catalog films from 2004:
http://www.test.de/Farbnegativfilme-Billig-und-gut-1179473-1179444/default.ashx
Most of these films don't exsist anymore but theres also the Fuji C200 for comparision.
| Excalibur wrote: |
| ...but we can get a version of Fuji in the UK for £1 and it's called Asta Vista plus, but no one can say for certain that it's Superia 200 |
Hmm Google never heard of this film. Is there a typo in the name?
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Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
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Attila wrote:
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/filmcamera/japanese/Olympus/olympus-inifinity-s-rossman-200/
I can easily make mistake on judgement I had very vary experience with C41 films, labs, DIY both can came out nice and crap and virtualy with any film 
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ForenSeil
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ForenSeil wrote:
In the menwhile I found another guy on a German Forum saying something different than the other guy on another German Forum ( ):
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Beim Film handelt es sich um Fuji Material. Ein Fuji Vertreter auf der Photokina sagte mir, es handele sich dabei um etwas ältere Emulsionstypen, also Vorgängergeneration der aktuellen Superia-Reihe.
Ich hatte sie dann daraufhin direkt mit den Superias verglichen: Die Rossmann Hausmarke war etwas grobkörniger, und die Farbwiedergabe unterschied sich auch etwas. Die Superias gefielen mir insgesamt besser. |
Feely translated he says that an Fuji-employee on the Photokina said to him, that the Rossmann HR 200 has slightly older elmusion-type than the actual Superia generation.
After that he compared the films directly and he found out that the Rossmann HR 200 has very slightly more grain and a little different colors.
So Attila is right, it's not C200 and not Superia
It seems to be not as good as Superia but a little better than C200 in resolution.
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Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
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Attila
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
C200 is good enough to me, I bought may 50 rolls, so must be good enough LOL.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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That was a typo. It should read Agfa Vista 200. The cheap shops in the UK (PoundLand) have been selling Vista 200 for a pound a roll and I have been very happy with the results. It is made in Japan and my results suggest it falls somewhere between Superior and C200 for quality. The colours are very good and the grain is finer than C200.
I was at PoundLand today and unfortunately they had no more of this film.  |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
| ForenSeil wrote: |
| Attila wrote: |
| Ok my version is also different I don't think so either fuji c200 or superia LOL, both 'real' fuji did look different to me. |
Hmm that's weird! Did you like the film film?
For me as said it easily beats the C200 or especially the Kodak 200
Here's and old test of German drugstore/catalog films from 2004:
http://www.test.de/Farbnegativfilme-Billig-und-gut-1179473-1179444/default.ashx
Most of these films don't exsist anymore but theres also the Fuji C200 for comparision.
| Excalibur wrote: |
| ...but we can get a version of Fuji in the UK for £1 and it's called Asta Vista plus, but no one can say for certain that it's Superia 200 |
Hmm Google never heard of this film. Is there a typo in the name? |
 Agfa Vista plus
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
| skida wrote: |
That was a typo. It should read Agfa Vista 200. The cheap shops in the UK (PoundLand) have been selling Vista 200 for a pound a roll and I have been very happy with the results. It is made in Japan and my results suggest it falls somewhere between Superior and C200 for quality. The colours are very good and the grain is finer than C200.
I was at PoundLand today and unfortunately they had no more of this film. |
Did you ask them if they were getting any more in?
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Rolf
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
| ForenSeil wrote: |
In the menwhile I found another guy on a German Forum saying something different than the other guy on another German Forum ():
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Beim Film handelt es sich um Fuji Material. Ein Fuji Vertreter auf der Photokina sagte mir, es handele sich dabei um etwas ältere Emulsionstypen, also Vorgängergeneration der aktuellen Superia-Reihe.
Ich hatte sie dann daraufhin direkt mit den Superias verglichen: Die Rossmann Hausmarke war etwas grobkörniger, und die Farbwiedergabe unterschied sich auch etwas. Die Superias gefielen mir insgesamt besser. |
Feely translated he says that an Fuji-employee on the Photokina said to him, that the Rossmann HR 200 has slightly older elmusion-type than the actual Superia generation.
After that he compared the films directly and he found out that the Rossmann HR 200 has very slightly more grain and a little different colors.
So Attila is right, it's not C200 and not Superia
It seems to be not as good as Superia but a little better than C200 in resolution. |
What's about developing at Rossmann ? Only the film or together only with the printed images (like CEWE)? When I will scan the film I do not need printed images - on the other side I have no interest to develop the film by myself.
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