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Mal1905
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Woke up this morning to this missive from our favourite arsehole...note how he also uses this word correctly in his response, yet refuses to capitalise the 'G' in God, leading me to believe that one of us might actually be Keith Rock...
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Canon EOS 5D / EOS 40D
Carl Zeiss Jena: Flektogon 2.8/20, 4/20, 2.4/35, 2.8/35, 2.8/29 MC, Pancolar 2/50, MC 1.8/50, MC 1.8/80, Biometar 2.8/80, 2.8/120, Triotar 4/135, Tessar 2.8/50, S 3.5/135, Sonnar 3.5/135 MC, 2.8/180, Biotar 2/5,8cm, 2/58, 1.5/75
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50 ZF, 1.4/50 T* MM, 1.7/50 T* MM, 1.8/50 HFT, 1.4/85 MM, 2.8/80 T*, Sonnar 2.8/135 T*, Ultron 1.8/50
Asahi Optical Co.: Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 2.8/120, 2.5/135, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4/300, Super-Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4.5/70-150, Fish-Eye-Takumar 4/17, Macro-Takumar 4/50, Super-Macro Takumar 4/50, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-Takumar 4/50, 4/100, Bellows-Takumar 4/100, Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 3.5/100, Tele-Takumar 3.5/135, Auto-Takumar 2.3/35, 3.5/35, 1.8/55, 1.8/55 (Zebra), 2/55, 2.2/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, Takumar 4/35, 2.2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 5.6/200, 6.3/300, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, SMC-M 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 2/50
Tomioka: Auto-Chinon 1.4/55, Auto-Yashinon DS-M 1.2/55 |
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Mal1905
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
Posts: 1171
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Just before I forget, here's the mail I sent him before his response...
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Canon EOS 5D / EOS 40D
Carl Zeiss Jena: Flektogon 2.8/20, 4/20, 2.4/35, 2.8/35, 2.8/29 MC, Pancolar 2/50, MC 1.8/50, MC 1.8/80, Biometar 2.8/80, 2.8/120, Triotar 4/135, Tessar 2.8/50, S 3.5/135, Sonnar 3.5/135 MC, 2.8/180, Biotar 2/5,8cm, 2/58, 1.5/75
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50 ZF, 1.4/50 T* MM, 1.7/50 T* MM, 1.8/50 HFT, 1.4/85 MM, 2.8/80 T*, Sonnar 2.8/135 T*, Ultron 1.8/50
Asahi Optical Co.: Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 2.8/120, 2.5/135, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4/300, Super-Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4.5/70-150, Fish-Eye-Takumar 4/17, Macro-Takumar 4/50, Super-Macro Takumar 4/50, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-Takumar 4/50, 4/100, Bellows-Takumar 4/100, Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 3.5/100, Tele-Takumar 3.5/135, Auto-Takumar 2.3/35, 3.5/35, 1.8/55, 1.8/55 (Zebra), 2/55, 2.2/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, Takumar 4/35, 2.2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 5.6/200, 6.3/300, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, SMC-M 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 2/50
Tomioka: Auto-Chinon 1.4/55, Auto-Yashinon DS-M 1.2/55 |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008
Posts: 2003
Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Heh. Somebody should explain to him the meaning of word "sentence". And he should start using sentences, because his actual pronouncement reminds me cry of a little angry kid, whose favourite toy has been snatched away... 
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for sale: Vivitar (Komine) 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (K/AR) | CZJ Tessar 13,5cm f/4.5 (M42) | Vivitar 35/1.9 (M42) | (Carl Zeiss) aus Jena 1Q Biometar z. 80/2.8 P6
list of Helios 44 lenses | List of CZJ T-marked M42 lenses | I'm not absolutely retarded, English simply isn't my mother tongue :s)
up-to 30mm: Vivitar (Tokina) Series 1 VMC 28/1.9, Vivitar (Komine) MC close-focus 28/2.8, Zeiss Distagon T* 25/2.8 ZS
35mm: Super Takumar 35/2 PRO, S-M-C Takumar 35/2, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, CZJ eMC Flektogon 35/2.4, SC Curtagon 35/2.8, Vivitar 35/1.9, MG Primagon V 35/4.5, CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5
50mm: S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4, Tomioka Cosinon MC 55/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Tomioka Macro Yashinon 60/2.8, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 preset, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 17-blades, CZJ eMC Pancolar 50/1.8, aJ Pancolar 55/1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 00xxx, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 0xxx, MMZ Helios MC 44-3 58/2, Helios 77M 50/1.8, KMZ Zenitar M2s MC 50/2, KMZ Industar 50/3.5, MC Volna-9 Macro 50/2.8, MC Pentacon 50/1.8, MG Trioplan 50/2.9, MG Primoplan V 58/1.9, Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
85mm:, CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 M42, CZJ eMC Pancolar 80/1.8, aJ Biometar 80/2.8 P6 zebra, CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 M42, MG Primoplan V 75/1.9 [exa], MG Night Primoplan 80/1.9 [VP Night], KMZ Helios 40-2 85/1.5 (custom hybrid of 40 and 40-2), S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, KMZ Jupiter-9 Π 8,5/2 M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 SLR M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 M42, Kodak Meniscus 90mm, MG Telefogar V 90/3.5, MG Trioplan V 100/2.8
over 100mm: Ernemann Kinostigmat 11cm, Voigtlander SL Macro APO Lanthar 125/2.5, Spiratone 135/1.8 plura-coat, KOMZ MC Jupiter 37AM 135/3.5, KOMZ Jupiter-11 135/4, KMZ Tair 11A 135/2.8, Pentacon preset 135/2.8 (bokehmonster), CZJ Sonnar MC 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar T 135/4, LR-A Pololyt 135/4.5 "T2", ZOMZ TAIR-3 300/4.5 |
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Xpres
Joined: 11 Dec 2007
Posts: 612
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Has anybody seen Rocky's website? !
http://www.rockycameras.com/
If you're having trouble with an ebay sale and have exhausted the ebay/paypal route the local trading standards officer might be the next stop. If you have evidence of fraud then you could complain to the police. The important word is evidence. Even if it goes nowhere it's worth complaining in the 'real world'.
For the next time... If you post anything then send it tracked and insured and try demanding your refund and posting expenses first - before you post it - you can then open a dispute while the goods are still in your hands.
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Farside
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Posts: 3967
Location: Ireland
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:39 am Post subject: |
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I sure hope he's got a decent data package from his hosting provider - such a site might be very popular. 
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The Lenses of Farside
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Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of pseudo patriotic fervor - with the cries of grave national emergency. always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real. - General Douglas McArthur
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence, clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L.Mencken
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg Trial |
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hk300
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
Posts: 1007
Location: Hong Kong
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:45 am Post subject: |
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http://www.rockycameras.com/about-us-1-w.asp
there is a phone no ... Rocky - 07973 751809
and more ...
Contact Details -
Address. 2, Highfield Rd, West Moors, Bournemouth, Dorset, BH22 0NA
Telephone - 01202 862886/07973 751809
email - rockyrockcameras.com@btopenworld.com
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Body 40D
Custom Contax split screen
MF Lenses ... too many to list ... |
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 818
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:13 am Post subject: |
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I think that he wants to be famous. Maybe he deserves to have his own ebay-thief-blog. We can develop it very easy using for example
https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=blogger&continue=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogger.com%2Floginz%3Fd%3D%252Fcreate-blog.g%26a%3DADD_SERVICE_FLAG&hl=en&sendvemail=true&followup=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogger.com%2Floginz%3Fd%3D%252Fhome%26a%3DSERVICE_ONLY&naui=8
and he would be able to send us nice comments.
I was thinking to make some "effort" for him and post some information about scheme he uses to lure buyers.
I don't believe that such creature he is can still exists as an ebay seller.
Below is response from ebay to my report about selling stolen item using ebay service
| Quote: | Subject: DB90012 Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety Department (KMM316370661V59024L0KM) Received: Feb-13-09
From: eBay Customer Support Expires: Mar-15-09
Dear Wojciech,
Thank you for writing eBay in regard to item 120319323352 (Tamron SP
70-210MM F3.5 ZOOM MACRO Lens=OPT PERFECT=) that you purchased from
rockycamera. You mentioned in your email that up to this moment, you
still have not received the refund that the seller promised to give you.
I have checked on this and unfortunately, because this listing ended
more than 60 days ago, it's too late to open a case. Buyers' Resolution
Center cases have to be opened between 10 and 60 days after the end of
the listing. You can learn more about opening cases here:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/item-not-received.html
-- First try talking to the seller
I'd try calling the seller if you haven't already done that. Please
reply to this email and ask for the seller's phone number. (Since the
listing ended over 90 days ago you won't be able to get the seller's
contact information from the site.)
-- Note --
At the same time that we send you the seller's contact information,
we'll also send the seller your contact information.
If you can't resolve this with the seller, I suggest you submit a mail
fraud complaint or contact PayPal or your credit/debit card issuer.
-- Submit a mail fraud complaint
If the item was sent through the U.S. mail, you can submit a mail fraud
complaint. You can find a mail fraud complaint form here:
http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/
-- Contact PayPal or your credit or debit card issuer
If you paid through PayPal, you can contact PayPal Customer Service.
Unfortunately, your purchase may not be eligible for a refund if the
payment was sent more than 45 days ago. But even so, PayPal takes all
buyer complaints very seriously. Your report may help other eBay members
avoid similar problems. To get in touch with PayPal Customer Service, go
to:
https://www.paypal.com/ewf/f=default
If you paid for this item with a credit or debit card, please contact
your card issuer immediately. Most credit card companies provide
protection against online fraud.
-- Contact Econsumer.gov
Since your payment was sent outside the country you live in, we
recommend that you file a report with a group called econsumer.gov, a
multinational effort set up to deal with cross-border incidents.
Econsumer.gov has information on ways to resolve your problem and
possibly get your money back. They can also help you file a complaint
that will forward information about your situation to consumer
protection agencies in more than 20 countries around the world,
including Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and Japan. Filing a
report may help law enforcement spot new trends in Internet crime and
possibly prevent others from having similar problems.
You can reach econsumer.gov here:
http://www.consumer.gov/econsumer/english/
If you need further assistance Wojciech, please don't hesitate to reply
to this email and let us know.
Sincerely,
Laurel
eBay Customer Support
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If responding, please include a copy of this message.
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Whether you're new to eBay or an experienced buyer and seller, the eBay
Security & Resolution Center can help you protect yourself on eBay and
online. For more information, please click the "Security Center" link at
the bottom of most eBay pages.
_____________________________________________
For our latest announcements, please check:
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml
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Original Message Follows:
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From: w z <logi009>
To: eBay Customer Support <rswebhelp>
Subject: VE=C00160 [#US 100880T ?01 ]
Form Message: %43401% 090802
D_ID021220091738D_ID/W_ID165218996W_ID/S_ID000S_ID
Subject: VE=C00160 [#US 100880T ?01 ]
User Feedback: 512
User State: ?01
Browser info: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US;
rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)
Listing Violations > Stolen property > You suspect stolen property is
for sale on eBay
Item number(s):
110349930455 L66 $US UK !43373! 021508 ?01 -01
Message: Dear Sir/Madam
rockycamera is currently selling lens with filter and case which I won
and paid. Ebay item # was 120319323352. I return faulty item because he
promised me to pay full refund including shipping charges and postage
from USA to GB. I receive nothing, he has my lens with filter and case.
Now he offers it for sale. Item still belongs to me because I didn't
receive what I paid and is only temporary in his possession.
Please help me solve this situation.
Sincerely |
And a screen capture with part of original ebay response.
Rocky, I know that you are reading this tread. Rocky - you underestimated this community. And when you didn't response to my last message as below - you underestimated me, too.
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 818
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: |
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This time I sent to our dear friend rocky new message as below.
It is clear that I sent message when auction is still not finished.
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http://www.wix.com/logi009/logi009 |
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Mal1905
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
Posts: 1171
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Shutting him down would be merciful to all the poor innocents he cons and steals from on a daily basis - he's real scum of the earth.
And the worst type of scum - he's arrogant, conceited and, worst of all, ignorant.
The poor deluded fool 
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Canon EOS 5D / EOS 40D
Carl Zeiss Jena: Flektogon 2.8/20, 4/20, 2.4/35, 2.8/35, 2.8/29 MC, Pancolar 2/50, MC 1.8/50, MC 1.8/80, Biometar 2.8/80, 2.8/120, Triotar 4/135, Tessar 2.8/50, S 3.5/135, Sonnar 3.5/135 MC, 2.8/180, Biotar 2/5,8cm, 2/58, 1.5/75
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50 ZF, 1.4/50 T* MM, 1.7/50 T* MM, 1.8/50 HFT, 1.4/85 MM, 2.8/80 T*, Sonnar 2.8/135 T*, Ultron 1.8/50
Asahi Optical Co.: Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 2.8/120, 2.5/135, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4/300, Super-Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4.5/70-150, Fish-Eye-Takumar 4/17, Macro-Takumar 4/50, Super-Macro Takumar 4/50, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-Takumar 4/50, 4/100, Bellows-Takumar 4/100, Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 3.5/100, Tele-Takumar 3.5/135, Auto-Takumar 2.3/35, 3.5/35, 1.8/55, 1.8/55 (Zebra), 2/55, 2.2/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, Takumar 4/35, 2.2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 5.6/200, 6.3/300, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, SMC-M 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 2/50
Tomioka: Auto-Chinon 1.4/55, Auto-Yashinon DS-M 1.2/55 |
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Poolhall
Joined: 25 Feb 2008
Posts: 1057
Location: Hindley, Wigan, England
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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What a c***, hope he gets whats coming to him
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Digital:Samsung GX-10 DSLR
Film: Almaz 103, about 30 Zenits M39, M42 and K mount, 5 Yashicas, and a Minox GT
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 818
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Poolhall wrote: | | What a c***, hope he gets whats coming to him |
You are 100% right, it is coming to him....
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http://www.wix.com/logi009/logi009 |
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mongo1414
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
Posts: 1
Location: Northern Nevada
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Ebay seller member446885 Keith Rock |
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| Attila wrote: | | described this as optically perfect |
Amen! I bought a P6 camera and lens from this foul mouthed jerk " In perfect working order" etc. etc. The things shutter would stick open on the top three speeds and the lens was jammed wide open. I complained and was told to return it and "I will refund your purchase price plus your shippimg costs up to the original shipping amount" I returned it tracking #CP174864752US and heard nothing from this fool. Ebay/ PayPal obtained a charge back after almost 90 days.
I left Negative feedback and was rewarded with statements that would probably get him sued in civil court in this country. It seems that most of his "positive feedback" comes from sellers that buy many items from him at once but reply with "positive" feedback for each item thereby inflating his high positive feedback score. Look up member A1 on ebay for example. The guy is running some new scam to circumvent ebay's rules. I have given up buying anything on Ebay anymore that costs more than a small amount. It seems that every lier, cheat and thief in the known universe is operating on eBay. I have gotten screwed by folks with with 100% positive feedback lately. so do business with "rockycamera" AKA Keith Rock at your own risk!
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lomomagix
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Posts: 5
Location: US of A
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Oh! So I am the latest fraudster here huh? And I am now "lomoarse!" Oh well, my dispute actually expires today but I never cared to ship back the products to him. No way in the world I would agree to end up with expenses of $133.00 and end up with nothing. Besides, I am almost sure that he would next say that the returned items were already damaged by me! Or worse, it's not unexpected that he would say they never came, and then my total expenses would have been $287.00. It's not beyond him to do that, you all know!
KEITH ROCK, I'm extremely angry with the cunning theft you've done to me, but I'm even angrier just knowing you think I am that stupid to send the items back to you!
You're just so lucky someone's looking after you (and your Ebay/Paypal cohorts) from down below! |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 27568
Location: Budapest,Hungary
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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To buy from him is a lottery I bought from him many items without problem and these items was very cheap due bad reputation. Keep price low as him and selling trustworthy not possible in my opinion. No free bread anywhere. I always count risk if I buy anything from him.
Till he able to keep this low prices he will get enough new buyers all time. He is one of the largest seller on Ebay sell lot more items than others. If Ebay and Paypal not protect their buyer this is same shame for Paypal and Ebay too.
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Folder cameras: Konishiroku Pearl, Bessa RF Heliar,Bessa I Color-Skopar,Ercona II Tessar,Franka III Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar
[color=black][b]35mm rangefinderKonica III,Bessa L,Yashica Electro GN,Canonette QL 17
35mm SLRKonica FM,Konica FP,Konica FT-1,Konica FC-1,Konica TC4,Nikon FA,Exakta VarexIIa,Fujica ST801
Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.8/20mm,4/25mm,2.4/35,2.8/65mm,4.5/4cm Tessar, 8/500mm Fernobjektiv
Pancolar 1.4/55mm,1.8/50mm,1.8/80mm,Tessar 2.8/50mm,Biotar 2/58mm,1.5/75mm,1.5/7,5cm
Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon:2.8/20mm, 2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/85mm,2/85mm,2.8/135mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,3.5/55mm macro,2/90mm macro,35-70mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro
Konica:21mm f4, 28mm f3.5,35mm f2.8,50mm f1.4,57mm f1.2,85mm f1.8,100mm f2.8,135mm f3.5,135mm f3.2,200mm f3.5,4/300mm,40cm f4.5
Please visit my Ebay shop
and my company site
http://www.hqdesign.eu/
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Farside
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Posts: 3967
Location: Ireland
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| Spotmatic wrote: | Sellers like this should be banned from eBay forever. Currently, I try to buy items from non-Powersellers as much as I can. This particular seller is on my personal block list now 
In the past, and I mean in the early internet years, there used to be a little program that allowed you to leave notes on anyone's website. Other users of that program could also see the notes. I found this a great system because this way, you could warn other users for bad sellers. Great for sites on which you do not have the ability to respond in all openness. Unfortunately the service has died. |
www.stickis.com
Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if it actually worked on every PC?
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Dave
The Lenses of Farside
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Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of pseudo patriotic fervor - with the cries of grave national emergency. always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real. - General Douglas McArthur
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence, clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L.Mencken
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
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