Complete Helios Lens list anyone?

[Throndor]

Do you by any chance know a site that has a complete list of helios lenses ..Or better, with somewhat extensive knowledge on them..
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Omer

Pentax K100D super

Pentax DA 18-55 AL
Pentax SMC-FA 50 f/1.4
Aus Jena Pancolar 50/1.8 (Zebra)
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135/3.5
Varexon 35/2.8
Helios 44-2 58/2

[piticu]

I don't know if it's a complete listing, but you should try http://m42.artlimited.net/site_search.php?s=helios&fmi=&fma=&ami=&ama=
Actually it's not complete for sure, covers only the m42 mount
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[Throndor]

Yep, was the first site i looked at..not close to complete.. thanx anyway
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Omer

Pentax K100D super

Pentax DA 18-55 AL
Pentax SMC-FA 50 f/1.4
Aus Jena Pancolar 50/1.8 (Zebra)
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135/3.5
Varexon 35/2.8
Helios 44-2 58/2

[sichko]

What exactly do you want to know ?

This site, for example,

http://zenit.istra.ru/catalog/lenseslist.html

gives a list of the KMZ Helios lenses. But it doesn't include those made in other factories. And it certainly doesn't include the Japanese Helios lenses such as the 2.8/135. I think that you might have to visit a number of sites.
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D5000. MF : Nikkor 2.8/24 Ai, Nikkor 2.8/28 Ais, Nikkor 3.5/28 Ai, Nikkor 1.8/50 Ai, Nikkor 2.5/105 Ai, Nikon E 3.5/75-150. AF : Sigma 4-5.6/10-20, Nikkor 1.8G/35, Nikkor 55-200 VR

[themoleman342]

Yes, I'd be willing to answer anything specific about these lenses...I've spent an unholy amount of time researching the in-and-outs of these lenses. A complete list is certainly possible but I'm not exactly sure how useful it would actually be...considering the wide variation even in samples of the same model #.

~Marc
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[no-X]

Some time ago, I posted a list 50mm Helios lenses. Here is my actual version (intent on M42):

all 44 and 77 are based on CZJ Biotar (1936), 77 has shortened focal length

• Helios 44 (35/14 or 36/17), M39, 8 or 13 blades, pre-set
  • KMZ
    • silver (similar to Biotar)
    • zebra (e.g. 1970)
    • black(?)
  • MMZ
    • silver - similar to Biotar (e.g. 1960?)
    • zebra
• Helios 44 M42, 8 blades, pre-set, black + white lettering, KMZ, 0xxxx samples only (?)
• Helios 44-D (41/21) - mount for KMZ Zenit automat D
• Helios 44-2 (38/20), 8 blades, pre-set M42
  • KMZ
    • black + white lettering (e.g. 1971)
    • classic version (black + colored lettering, e.g. 1974)
  • JOV (e.g. 1974-1982)
  • MMZ
    • zebra (e.g. 1971-72)
    • black + white lettering (e.g. 1973-74)
    • classic version (black + colored lettering) - similar to JOV (e.g. 1982)
    • redesigned version - similar look to 44-3 (e.g. 1989)
• 44-3 MC (?/?), 8 blades, pre-set - only by MMZ, not common, said to be better than 44M and 44M-4 (e.g. 1986-93)
• 44-3M (?/?), 8 blades - rare, MMZ, "M" after number "3" means Macro (joinable to special macro bellows, e.g. 1992)
• 44M (38/19), 8 blades, A/M switch - KMZ, common, "M" after "44" means M42 screw-mount (e.g. 1981-82)
• 44M MC (38/19), 8 blades, A/M switch - KMZ, rare (e.g. 1981)
• 44M-4 (38/19), 6 blades, auto - JOV (1984-89)
• 44M-4 MC (41/20), 6 blades, auto - KMZ
• 44K-4 MC (41/20), 6 blades, auto - KMZ, K-mount
• 44M-5 MC (41/20), 6 blades, auto - JOV (e.g. 1991)
• 44M-6 MC (45/25), 6 blades, auto - JOV
• 44-7 (36/17 or 41/21), 6 blades - older than 44M series, special design (1971?)
• 44M-7 MC (50/30), 6 blades, auto - 1993, JOV, superb sharpness - esp. corners
• 77M MC ("MS") (45/25?) 50/1.8, in fact 52/1.8, 6 blades, auto - manufacturer unknown, improved Biotar design (e.g. 1992)
• 77M-4 MC (45/25) 50/1.8, in fact 52/1.8, 6 blades, auto
  • JOV
  • Vologda

There are several versions of 44-2 (these pictures are just examples, full list is above):

1. MMZ 1st model "zebra" - same barrel as MMZ version of 44(-1)



2. MMZ 2nd model - white lettering, glossy paint



3. KMZ - colored lettering



4. JOV - colored lettering



5. MMZ 3rd model - similar to KMZ and JOV model



6. MMZ 4rd model - new barrel




[photos by J.Vacek / jvtdesign - thanks]

other Helios lenses:

Helios 65 50/2 (35/14)
Helios 70 52/1.9 (KMZ, M42)
Helios 79 45/2 (range-finders, M39?)
Helios 81N / 81a 50/2 (N mount, ZA)
Helios 89 30/1.9 (fed mikron)
Helios 94 50/1.8 (N mount)
Helios 97M 52/2 (48/27, KMZ)
Helios 98 28/2.8 (Zorki 12, M39?)
Helios 103 53/1.8 (Kiev/Contax)
Helios 113 40/1.8 (FED, M42)
Helios macro 85-210/3.8-22 1:3-1:10
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for sale: Vivitar (Komine) 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (K/AR) | CZJ Tessar 13,5cm f/4.5 (M42) | Vivitar 35/1.9 (M42) | (Carl Zeiss) aus Jena 1Q Biometar z. 80/2.8 P6

list of Helios 44 lenses | List of CZJ T-marked M42 lenses | I'm not absolutely retarded, English simply isn't my mother tongue :s)

up-to 30mm: Vivitar (Tokina) Series 1 VMC 28/1.9, Vivitar (Komine) MC close-focus 28/2.8, Zeiss Distagon T* 25/2.8 ZS
35mm: Super Takumar 35/2 PRO, S-M-C Takumar 35/2, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, CZJ eMC Flektogon 35/2.4, SC Curtagon 35/2.8, Vivitar 35/1.9, MG Primagon V 35/4.5, CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5
50mm: S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4, Tomioka Cosinon MC 55/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Tomioka Macro Yashinon 60/2.8, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 preset, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 17-blades, CZJ eMC Pancolar 50/1.8, aJ Pancolar 55/1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 00xxx, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 0xxx, MMZ Helios MC 44-3 58/2, Helios 77M 50/1.8, KMZ Zenitar M2s MC 50/2, KMZ Industar 50/3.5, MC Volna-9 Macro 50/2.8, MC Pentacon 50/1.8, MG Trioplan 50/2.9, MG Primoplan V 58/1.9, Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
85mm:, CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 M42, CZJ eMC Pancolar 80/1.8, aJ Biometar 80/2.8 P6 zebra, CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 M42, MG Primoplan V 75/1.9 [exa], MG Night Primoplan 80/1.9 [VP Night], KMZ Helios 40-2 85/1.5 (custom hybrid of 40 and 40-2), S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, KMZ Jupiter-9 Π 8,5/2 M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 SLR M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 M42, Kodak Meniscus 90mm, MG Telefogar V 90/3.5, MG Trioplan V 100/2.8
over 100mm: Ernemann Kinostigmat 11cm, Voigtlander SL Macro APO Lanthar 125/2.5, Spiratone 135/1.8 plura-coat, KOMZ MC Jupiter 37AM 135/3.5, KOMZ Jupiter-11 135/4, KMZ Tair 11A 135/2.8, Pentacon preset 135/2.8 (bokehmonster), CZJ Sonnar MC 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar T 135/4, LR-A Pololyt 135/4.5 "T2", ZOMZ TAIR-3 300/4.5

[Prometheus]

[no-X]

I have 44-3 too It was my first M42 lens, but I have never used it. I bought it, beacause many Foveon users suggested this lens as cheap, sharp and durable solution. I must say, that 44-3 and other MMZ lenses has better build, than later KMZ/JOV 44M and 44M4, which have often stiff focusing ring.
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for sale: Vivitar (Komine) 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (K/AR) | CZJ Tessar 13,5cm f/4.5 (M42) | Vivitar 35/1.9 (M42) | (Carl Zeiss) aus Jena 1Q Biometar z. 80/2.8 P6

list of Helios 44 lenses | List of CZJ T-marked M42 lenses | I'm not absolutely retarded, English simply isn't my mother tongue :s)

up-to 30mm: Vivitar (Tokina) Series 1 VMC 28/1.9, Vivitar (Komine) MC close-focus 28/2.8, Zeiss Distagon T* 25/2.8 ZS
35mm: Super Takumar 35/2 PRO, S-M-C Takumar 35/2, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, CZJ eMC Flektogon 35/2.4, SC Curtagon 35/2.8, Vivitar 35/1.9, MG Primagon V 35/4.5, CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5
50mm: S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4, Tomioka Cosinon MC 55/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Tomioka Macro Yashinon 60/2.8, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 preset, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 17-blades, CZJ eMC Pancolar 50/1.8, aJ Pancolar 55/1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 00xxx, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 0xxx, MMZ Helios MC 44-3 58/2, Helios 77M 50/1.8, KMZ Zenitar M2s MC 50/2, KMZ Industar 50/3.5, MC Volna-9 Macro 50/2.8, MC Pentacon 50/1.8, MG Trioplan 50/2.9, MG Primoplan V 58/1.9, Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
85mm:, CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 M42, CZJ eMC Pancolar 80/1.8, aJ Biometar 80/2.8 P6 zebra, CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 M42, MG Primoplan V 75/1.9 [exa], MG Night Primoplan 80/1.9 [VP Night], KMZ Helios 40-2 85/1.5 (custom hybrid of 40 and 40-2), S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, KMZ Jupiter-9 Π 8,5/2 M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 SLR M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 M42, Kodak Meniscus 90mm, MG Telefogar V 90/3.5, MG Trioplan V 100/2.8
over 100mm: Ernemann Kinostigmat 11cm, Voigtlander SL Macro APO Lanthar 125/2.5, Spiratone 135/1.8 plura-coat, KOMZ MC Jupiter 37AM 135/3.5, KOMZ Jupiter-11 135/4, KMZ Tair 11A 135/2.8, Pentacon preset 135/2.8 (bokehmonster), CZJ Sonnar MC 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar T 135/4, LR-A Pololyt 135/4.5 "T2", ZOMZ TAIR-3 300/4.5

[rawhead]

You're forgetting the 40 and 40-2

[no-X]

Helios 40 series aren't 5x mm. There are many Helios series. 40 and 44 are just the best known.
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for sale: Vivitar (Komine) 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (K/AR) | CZJ Tessar 13,5cm f/4.5 (M42) | Vivitar 35/1.9 (M42) | (Carl Zeiss) aus Jena 1Q Biometar z. 80/2.8 P6

list of Helios 44 lenses | List of CZJ T-marked M42 lenses | I'm not absolutely retarded, English simply isn't my mother tongue :s)

up-to 30mm: Vivitar (Tokina) Series 1 VMC 28/1.9, Vivitar (Komine) MC close-focus 28/2.8, Zeiss Distagon T* 25/2.8 ZS
35mm: Super Takumar 35/2 PRO, S-M-C Takumar 35/2, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, CZJ eMC Flektogon 35/2.4, SC Curtagon 35/2.8, Vivitar 35/1.9, MG Primagon V 35/4.5, CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5
50mm: S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4, Tomioka Cosinon MC 55/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Tomioka Macro Yashinon 60/2.8, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 preset, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 17-blades, CZJ eMC Pancolar 50/1.8, aJ Pancolar 55/1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 00xxx, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 0xxx, MMZ Helios MC 44-3 58/2, Helios 77M 50/1.8, KMZ Zenitar M2s MC 50/2, KMZ Industar 50/3.5, MC Volna-9 Macro 50/2.8, MC Pentacon 50/1.8, MG Trioplan 50/2.9, MG Primoplan V 58/1.9, Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
85mm:, CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 M42, CZJ eMC Pancolar 80/1.8, aJ Biometar 80/2.8 P6 zebra, CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 M42, MG Primoplan V 75/1.9 [exa], MG Night Primoplan 80/1.9 [VP Night], KMZ Helios 40-2 85/1.5 (custom hybrid of 40 and 40-2), S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, KMZ Jupiter-9 Π 8,5/2 M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 SLR M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 M42, Kodak Meniscus 90mm, MG Telefogar V 90/3.5, MG Trioplan V 100/2.8
over 100mm: Ernemann Kinostigmat 11cm, Voigtlander SL Macro APO Lanthar 125/2.5, Spiratone 135/1.8 plura-coat, KOMZ MC Jupiter 37AM 135/3.5, KOMZ Jupiter-11 135/4, KMZ Tair 11A 135/2.8, Pentacon preset 135/2.8 (bokehmonster), CZJ Sonnar MC 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar T 135/4, LR-A Pololyt 135/4.5 "T2", ZOMZ TAIR-3 300/4.5

[rawhead]

I didn't think this topic was confined to 5x mm Helioses.

[no-X]

The topic wasn't, but my post was
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for sale: Vivitar (Komine) 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (K/AR) | CZJ Tessar 13,5cm f/4.5 (M42) | Vivitar 35/1.9 (M42) | (Carl Zeiss) aus Jena 1Q Biometar z. 80/2.8 P6

list of Helios 44 lenses | List of CZJ T-marked M42 lenses | I'm not absolutely retarded, English simply isn't my mother tongue :s)

up-to 30mm: Vivitar (Tokina) Series 1 VMC 28/1.9, Vivitar (Komine) MC close-focus 28/2.8, Zeiss Distagon T* 25/2.8 ZS
35mm: Super Takumar 35/2 PRO, S-M-C Takumar 35/2, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, CZJ eMC Flektogon 35/2.4, SC Curtagon 35/2.8, Vivitar 35/1.9, MG Primagon V 35/4.5, CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5
50mm: S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4, Tomioka Cosinon MC 55/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Tomioka Macro Yashinon 60/2.8, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 preset, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 17-blades, CZJ eMC Pancolar 50/1.8, aJ Pancolar 55/1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 00xxx, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 0xxx, MMZ Helios MC 44-3 58/2, Helios 77M 50/1.8, KMZ Zenitar M2s MC 50/2, KMZ Industar 50/3.5, MC Volna-9 Macro 50/2.8, MC Pentacon 50/1.8, MG Trioplan 50/2.9, MG Primoplan V 58/1.9, Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
85mm:, CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 M42, CZJ eMC Pancolar 80/1.8, aJ Biometar 80/2.8 P6 zebra, CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 M42, MG Primoplan V 75/1.9 [exa], MG Night Primoplan 80/1.9 [VP Night], KMZ Helios 40-2 85/1.5 (custom hybrid of 40 and 40-2), S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, KMZ Jupiter-9 Π 8,5/2 M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 SLR M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 M42, Kodak Meniscus 90mm, MG Telefogar V 90/3.5, MG Trioplan V 100/2.8
over 100mm: Ernemann Kinostigmat 11cm, Voigtlander SL Macro APO Lanthar 125/2.5, Spiratone 135/1.8 plura-coat, KOMZ MC Jupiter 37AM 135/3.5, KOMZ Jupiter-11 135/4, KMZ Tair 11A 135/2.8, Pentacon preset 135/2.8 (bokehmonster), CZJ Sonnar MC 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar T 135/4, LR-A Pololyt 135/4.5 "T2", ZOMZ TAIR-3 300/4.5

[martinsmith99]

Could this be sticky'd or added to the website as it comes up quite a bit.

Maybe the factory logos added too?
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