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dimitrygo
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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Helios-44 m39 |
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| Attila wrote: |
I strongly beleive you did hit a jackpot, low serial number means this is possible made by right after wwii by Zeiss people on Zeiss machines from Zeiss material. I have similar experience with my early Helios-40 85mm f1.5 better than any other later revision including Helios 40-2 copies what I did test. I look forward your samples! |
May be. I just thought it is a good collectible but if it is also capable to take good pictures, it will be very nice.
BTW does a register difference of 0.3 mm (comparing to M42 lenses) require some shaving of the lens/adapter? Or the lens can be used as is? |
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martinsmith99
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| martinsmith99 wrote: | | Jackpot indeed! Great lens and hopefully an outstanding copy. How on earth did you find one so cheaply? |
Cheaply? Well, may be, I have ho idea how much it should cost. But first of all let me get it and see if it costs at least the amount I payed - purchasing such vintage stuff on auctions always involves some risk. I am not a collector and normally I wouldn't pay too much for such lenses. This is a reason why I don't buy an original Biotar, for example.
To the question how did I find it - learn Russian  and you also will be able to search on their auction sites (very similar to ebay). This is what I did. Although in most cases their prices of old Russian lenses are very similar to ebay, there are still some chances you can find a bargain. |
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| dimitrygo wrote: | | martinsmith99 wrote: | | Jackpot indeed! Great lens and hopefully an outstanding copy. How on earth did you find one so cheaply? |
Cheaply? Well, may be, I have ho idea how much it should cost. But first of all let me get it and see if it costs at least the amount I payed - purchasing such vintage stuff on auctions always involves some risk. I am not a collector and normally I wouldn't pay too much for such lenses. This is a reason why I don't buy an original Biotar, for example.
To the question how did I find it - learn Russian and you also will be able to search on their auction sites (very similar to ebay). This is what I did. Although in most cases their prices of old Russian lenses are very similar to ebay, there are still some chances you can find a bargain. |
This lens go on Ebay very cheaply for a few bucks only if you find one. I bough mines in local shop for next to nothing. 10-20 USD.
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Attila wrote: |
This lens go on Ebay very cheaply for a few bucks only if you find one. I bough mines in local shop for next to nothing. 10-20 USD. |
This is what I payed plus shipping and adapter. But I see that even a pretty ordinary black Helios 44-2 goes for the same price and this is a bit surprising me.
Also please decide finally: one says it is cheap, another says it is expensive |
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| dimitrygo wrote: | | Attila wrote: |
This lens go on Ebay very cheaply for a few bucks only if you find one. I bough mines in local shop for next to nothing. 10-20 USD. |
This is what I payed plus shipping and adapter. But I see that even a pretty ordinary black Helios 44-2 goes for the same price and this is a bit surprising me.
Also please decide finally: one says it is cheap, another says it is expensive |
Yes,it is pretty nasty from those people who own 1000 USD value camera bodies and they say 100 USD is expensive for a great MF lens.
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Attila wrote: |
This lens go on Ebay very cheaply for a few bucks only if you find one. I bough mines in local shop for next to nothing. 10-20 USD. |
Few bucks, ha?
Click here to see on Ebay And this is even not the earlier version I bought.
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martinsmith99
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| martinsmith99 wrote: | Standard 44 in all varieties is cheap, but finding one with 3 zeros usually commands more of a price.
I've not been able to get one with 2 zeros so far. |
Look at the link I gave - s/n 0098392. |
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martinsmith99
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| dimitrygo wrote: | | martinsmith99 wrote: | Standard 44 in all varieties is cheap, but finding one with 3 zeros usually commands more of a price.
I've not been able to get one with 2 zeros so far. |
Look at the link I gave - s/n 0098392. |
Link doesn't work here.
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| martinsmith99 wrote: | | And I am still unconvinced about the serial numbers. This may be an virtual myth. |
Sorry, fixed, try again. I also don't believe this "number theory". I bought mine because I know it is very early model, not because of 3 zeroes. |
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convert1
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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It might be usefull for all of us to see the diff. between Biotar and Helios with diff.Version.
Personally I prefer ALU Version M39.
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JWH
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| martinsmith99 wrote: | Standard 44 in all varieties is cheap, but finding one with 3 zeros usually commands more of a price.
I've not been able to get one with 2 zeros so far. |
How much would you reckon, a 3 zero serial one, to be worth? I happen to have got pretty lucky on a bargain as my other topic displays.
http://forum.mflenses.com/found-a-helios-44-2-what-version-is-this-t21027.html
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| convert1 wrote: | | It might be usefull for all of us to see the diff. between Biotar and Helios with diff.Version. |
Are you sure they have 9 blades and not 8? |
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