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convert1



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dimitrygo, you are right .
It was wrong Information from my side, javascript:emoticon('Embarassed')

Biotar ALU 58mm/f2 , 10 blades,
M39vers. ALU Helios 44 58mm/f2, 13 blades,
M39vers. Black Helios 44 58mm/f2, 8 blades,
M42vers. Black Helios 44-2 58mm/f2, 8 blades.

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DavidVT




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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Helios-44 alu m39 Reply with quote

Hi,

In reply to my previous post and to those who were so kind to answer it, my copy (sn 0001243 - 13 blades) arrived a few days and I love it!!!
Any inputs on manufacturing year, why it is it goes to f22, etc...

Thank you!
David



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's one nice looking lens! Well done for finding that and with that serial number.
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dimitrygo



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Helios-44 alu m39 Reply with quote

DavidVT wrote:

Any inputs on manufacturing year, why it is it goes to f22, etc...


I answered your question about aperture on the previous page.
Regarding the manufacturing year it's hard to tell. Officially a production of Helios 44 has started at the late 50s of the 20th century. But this version is not documented at all.
What I don't like about it is an aperture setting mechanism. It is different from all other versions I saw before and not very convenient. I personally didn't manage yet to use it one hand.

Congratulation! Your copy seems to be in a very good cosmetic condition. Mine has several deep scratches on a barrel and fixed small dent on a filter ring.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject: Helios-44 alu m39 Reply with quote

Thank you for the answers,

Just overlooked the f22 part. Sorry about that. The only weird thing I noticed about the preset diafragm is that you can click the preset into every f-stop, except f22. Is this because of "not really necessary" because it is the smallest f-stop anyway, or just a construction thing because all others only go to f16?

Thanks,
David
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: Helios-44 alu m39 Reply with quote

DavidVT wrote:
The only weird thing I noticed about the preset diafragm is that you can click the preset into every f-stop, except f22. Is this because of "not really necessary" because it is the smallest f-stop anyway, or just a construction thing because all others only go to f16?


Mine is the same. I think there is a mechanical problem to make a slot for f22 - it would be very close to a slot of f16.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:41 am    Post subject: Helios 28-70 Reply with quote

Helios 28-70

Saw this lens advertised on ebay but haven't been able to find a single thing about it on the net. Has anybody ever heard of it or got any information on it?

Thanks,
Alan
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Helios 28-70 Reply with quote

Allibert24 wrote:
Helios 28-70

Saw this lens advertised on ebay but haven't been able to find a single thing about it on the net. Has anybody ever heard of it or got any information on it?

Thanks,
Alan


This is not the Russian Helios lens. This one and many others are Japanese lenses with the "stolen" name. I strongly believe this thread is only for old Russian lenses although it's name doesn't state it clearly Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:30 pm    Post subject: Helios 28 - 70 Reply with quote

Thanks Dimitry.

I guess I should have realised when i saw that Helios was written in english and not cyrillic. He advertises it as:

m42 pentax screw thread fitting
GENUINE HELIOS RARE in m42 screw fit
28mm-70mm macro focussing zoom lens
optically world renowned
cosmetically ,optically & MECHANICALLY exellent
f3.5-f4.5

Guess it is best to keep well away as this sounds very dodgy.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: Helios 28 - 70 Reply with quote

Allibert24 wrote:
Thanks Dimitry.

I guess I should have realised when i saw that Helios was written in english and not cyrillic.


Unfortunately this is not an indication. A vast majority of real Helios lenses have their labels written in English. You can find a (probably incomplete) list of Helios and others soviet lenses here: http://www.zenit.istra.ru/catalog/lenseslist.html
It is in Russian so use a translator.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the helios 28-70 is the same than the zenith 28-70 ?

Both sigma lenses?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be, there were some lenses made in Japan, possibly by Sigma, and badged with the 'Helios' name for TOE the Zenit importer in Britain. Certainly 28mm, 35mm, 135mm and some zooms were sold. The 28-70 sounds like one of these, so I suppose it is a 'Helios' but not a Russian one.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Helios-44 m39 alu focusing problem Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

A few weeks ago I posted a message regarding my "new" helios-44 (m39, alu version, sn 0001243). I was very pleased with it after a few test shots, but when I took it with me on holidays last week, I noticed that is doens't focus to infinity. I focuses to app. 15m, which is fairly close to infinity, but it doesn't not pass beyond that. My 1958 industar-50 (also m39 alu) does focus to infinity no prob, so that rules out my m42-olympus adapter and my m39-m42 adapter, I presume.

Any thoughts on where the problem could lie and if it might be "fixable"?

Thanks a lot,
David
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another version of Helios 44. Not sure though it can be posted here since it seems to be not a consumer version but still...

MC Helios 44-3M:





The lower brighter part on the last picture is a removable macro ring, this is how this lens was used in some sort of military equipment.

There is only one aperture ring and it doesn't have distinct positions for each stop. No preset and no A/M switch. The focus ring shows 1.5 m as a minimal distance but it turns "down" to a usual 0.5m like all other Helioses.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:58 am    Post subject: Helios 44M-4 from KMZ Reply with quote

Hi,

I just bought a 44M-4 from KMZ. This one is not in the list on the first page since it is not marked MC.

I also have my fathers old Helios 44 alu-version from KMZ in M39 mount. It has a low serial number 0087122. I can perhaps post some comparison shots some day.... Of course the 13-blade iris is nicer on the old one, but the newer is hopefully sharper.
Unfortunately I can't get infinity focus on the old one, perhaps 20 meters or so is the max. Perhaps you guys have some trick to extend the infinity focus relatively easy!?

FYI, I also found a Jupiter 9 in dads old photo bag Smile

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