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poilu
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:00 am Post subject: HDR |
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poilu wrote:
this is the kind of pic we have to get used
photoshop cs5 new HDR
contax 85:2.8 on 5DII
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Esox lucius
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
Yes, while moderate HDR has useful applications (some posted on this forum as well) most of looks like crap computer game graphics. Sad really. |
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PaulC
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:20 am Post subject: |
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PaulC wrote:
Revolting mush. And what's that huge pale halo doing around the tower?
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Orio
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
That is really awful!
How can you have the new CS5? It is not released yet! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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poilu
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Orio wrote: |
How can you have the new CS5? It is not released yet! |
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Rolf
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
Seems that Adobe has to do some work on this issue. I use CS3 on my IMAC and HDR works with standard values not to bad. _________________ Rolf |
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Attila
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Need to practice, more and more , HDR can be beautiful and awful both. _________________ -------------------------------
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Karhallarn
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Karhallarn wrote:
I always hated the HDR feature in Photoshop!
I use Photomatix, which does a much nicer job!
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Orio
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I'm afraid that all HDRs look bad to me. I don't see "better" ones, just different degrees of awful _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Karhallarn
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Karhallarn wrote:
Yeah, one must like the style but in this style Photoshop is the least stylish!
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Orio
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Karhallarn wrote: |
Yeah, one must like the style but in this style Photoshop is the least stylish!
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Where is the "style"? HDR just looks weird. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Karhallarn
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Karhallarn wrote:
Styles are subjektive!
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Rolf
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
I like it too.
The problem is that most of the people overplay with this technology.
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Attila
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Stunning Rolf! Congrats! _________________ -------------------------------
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Karhallarn
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Karhallarn wrote:
@Rolf: Absolutely!
This picture is awesome! _________________ www.MoWePhoto.de
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tobbsman
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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tobbsman wrote:
I think a moderate use of HDR can create stunning results (Like Rolfs' example shows).
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Sven
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Sven wrote:
Rolf HDR is one of the best I have seen.
It's very easy to overdo HDR and get halos, artefacts and that computer game look. "Shadows and highlights" in PS can also produce a HDRish effect if used a bit to extensive.
I still think HDR can be useful now and then. Personally I prefer to do the alignment in PS and tone mapping in Photomatix. _________________ DSLR: Nikon D200, Pentax *istDL, Nikon D100 IR converted
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Rolf
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
If you like here 2 additional samples.
Unfortunately the last one loses a lot of detail here due to the compression. You have to see this pic at 2 x 1 meter, it is so sharp and clear that you can see larger screws.
BTW all shots with TSE 24
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Attila
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Another two perfect shoots! _________________ -------------------------------
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poilu
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
the new HDR tone in CS5 work on a single image to produce a pseudo HDR effects
my sample show overuse of such tools that could became a fashion
this pseudo HDR have nothing to do with Rolf samples who use a sequence of pics to get a result who could not be done without HDR
see this tutorial
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Rolf
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
You have right poilu.
Maybe that I misunderstood your first post here. I tought that your first sample is the follower of the old HDR program within CS3/4.
There are several plug-ins for older CS versions available with this "new" effect.
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Sven
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Sven wrote:
Rolf: your photos are excellent.
Pseudo HDR on a singe RAW file has also been available in Photomatix for quite a while. Not very useful in my opinion, but sometimes it can be handy to bring out more details from the shadows or for creating effects.
Normally I think of HDR as multiple exposures. This function on a single shot could never achieve the same thing as long as the RAW file has a more limited dynamic range. _________________ DSLR: Nikon D200, Pentax *istDL, Nikon D100 IR converted
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Well, HDR does not fit my puristic approach.
But it can be fine for others and Rolf has shown
an excellent example. _________________ Klaus - Admin
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Well, I don't know to what extent HDR was used in Rolf's photos, and with what software, but they are clearly the best HDR examples I ever saw, so far. They look very natural.
Maybe terminology clarification is in order here. I personally tend to refer, as HDR, to software that does automation assembling. I don't consider HDR the layers work in Photoshop or the selective work on exposure levels that is possible to do for instance, in Lightroom. These for me are manual editing similar in concept to dodging-burning in chemical darkroom.
For me HDR is when you feed a software with 5 or 7 different exposures and the software mixes them up. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Arkku
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
Theoretically even a graduated ND filter is “HDR” in the sense that it compresses a higher dynamic range into that captured by the sensor (and displayed by a computer screen). Likewise taking two shots at different exposures and blending them manually in Photoshop or similar would be a way of doing HDR.
Personally I would welcome software that could do this automatically while maintaining a natural appearance (without having to excessively tweak the parameters)—who cares how the end result is accomplished if that's what one wants to get. Some scenes naturally have higher dynamic range that can be (currently) captured in one shot.
Then there are the tone mapping algorithms, e.g. as found in Photomatix, which can, in theory, be used to do sensible HDR but often end up being exploited for the surreal/plastic/awful/overprocessed/etc images that typically come up when one searches for “HDR”. The funny thing is that much of the “HDR effect” is due to flaws in the algorithms; there are some better ones with fewer (or different) flaws, as can be seen e.g. by experimenting with the options in the (free) qtfpsgui software, but the most excessive options remain the most popular… Probably because people are not using “HDR” for high dynamic range but to add a cheap effect to otherwise boring shots. |
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