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trifox wrote:
Irregular shooting again .. because the lens has still got its native mount 
Just holding the lens with my hand and .. aargh -- it;s so hard ! ..
You can get blurry or dark corners very easily .. .
all shots wide open - I can not close the aperture at all
Focusing to infinity impossible, of course ..
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Stunning colors, great pictures!
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Schnauzer wrote:
Great results. It must be fun trying to hold the camera and lense and focus.
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I think it was a good decision with the conversation !!! 
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trifox wrote:
Thanks for comments.
@ Rolf -- yes,
the lens is amazing ..
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Rolf wrote:
Hi Stan,
I know you are a CZ fan. Do you know the Vario-Sonnar 4/80-200mm ?
If yes, what do you think. Is the FD better or equal or ...... ?
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poilu wrote:
no need of conversion with yours steady hands!
Rolf, the Canon is not cheap, with 1 fluorine & 1 UD it is better than the Zeiss
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Orio wrote:
Looks like a super lens, #1 is the best photo for me.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
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| Looks like a super lens, #1 is the best photo for me. |
Stan makes every lens to super one , ask him to make test with a Domiplan or something well known low quality lens and let we see
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trifox wrote:
Oh!
Thanks for your comments again
@ poilu -- I am thinking about the same -- why not try the lens in first and then get it converted
@ Rolf - CZ 80-200 f/4 is a great lens and it has unique character -- it's hard to say -- I would have to do some tests but I think they won't be relevant .
Canon FD 80-200 f/4 L has not been reissued anymore -- it's also unique .. and considering the fact that this lens won't be out again -- same as Vario-Sonnar 4/80-200.. sounds strange ..
Both these guys just exist but they have no successors (  )
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tobbsman wrote:
Super samples, simply stunning results.
love the colors of #1, #3
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Simply superb. Great lense, great photographer. Astonishing!
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Spotmatic wrote:
Never mind the lens. Superb photographer! 
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wilson.c wrote:
Great photos! I've got the same lens and will need to work on getting a lot more good shots out of it. At least I can't blame the lens now
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
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| I think it was a good decision with the conversation !!! |
The conversion of this lens is everytime a good decision.
So i decided to convert this lens also after getting a cheap copy some days ago..
Now its a manual Canon EF 4/80-200L..
And these are the first shots with the lens @f4 before reconstructing the aperture mechanism. In the meantime the work is done completely..
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#4 Infinity @f4
crop...
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This is a fantastic lens.. and no problems @infinity on EOS 5D !!
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Rolf wrote:
Wow Henry !
You must be a very well repairman. I sent my lens few month ago to the partner of Stan and he have had a lot of work and problems with my lens (in terms of very very small tolerances during calibration to get infinity etc)
For the conversion we decided to use a chinese adapter with AF confirm chip.
If you have this lens within your arsenal there is no need to buy a new EF 70-200 L.
Congrats !
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Hi Rolf,
i do have both in my collection, the 4/80-200L and the successor EF 4/70-200L USM and in the next days i will start a comparison for our german DCC Forum between both lenses.
The conversion can be done easily, but to set up the apterture mechanic is a bit tricky. Also to get a 100% limited infinity (lens goes a little bit beyond infinity without spacer to correct) takes a bit of time...
But this doesnt bother me.. i have a perfect viewfinder and if i need the absolut exact infinity... i do use the LiveView Feature of my 5D MKII.
Converted, this is a phantstic lens for each system.
Grab this beauty for 70 Euro from a Pro - Seller, who didnt know what he is selling.
To place an EMF Chip on the simple Elox M42 Adapter is easy.. but i do not like the Chip, its not exactly enough for my needs..
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Rolf wrote:
Hi Henry,
70 € are too much !
I paid 40 € at my dealer - he didn´t know what he was selling - thought that this lens was the standard FD 70-210mm zoom not seeing the red line at the top. The sun hood was in the wrong direction at the lens and I bought it without unscrewing it or any other test - just right out of the window
Now I´m looking from time to time for the big brother 100-300mm L hoping to find another seller not knowing what he has in his hand.
What is DCC ? Digicamclub ?
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Hi Henry,
70 € are too much !
I paid 40 € at my dealer - he didn´t know what he was selling - thought that this lens was the standard FD 70-210mm zoom not seeing the red line at the top. The sun hood was in the wrong direction at the lens and I bought it without unscrewing it or any other test - just right out of the window
Now I´m looking from time to time for the big brother 100-300mm L hoping to find another seller not knowing what he has in his hand.
What is DCC ? Digicamclub ?
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Yes Rolf, DCC = Digicamclub..
congrats for getting this beauty for a better price then i have paid for..
This lens is really a very nice one... after shooting some pictures with this lens, i am in love with piece of glas. maybe a bit more vignetting on a fullframe as the successor, but nice and warm colours and a creamy bokeh as far as i can see after some the first test shots..
The lens came with a stuck aperture, but to service that lens is also very, very easy to do.. some screws and you can clean the aperture, because the whole back element of the optical group (including the aperture) can remove.. on DCC i will write a documentation of the conversion and the way to service the lens if someone found a copy with oily blades..
Some further pic, open aperture..
a crop..
out of this ..
and another crop.. open ! very strong light conditions.. you can see the very good behavior .. its a stress-test.. the UD and Fluorite Element works great..
the crop was taken out of this.. about 10-15 meter distance at F=200mm
In my eyes, this Zoom is maybe the best Canon Lens in this focal range from older days. It was introduced in 1985, a short time before Canon did change the mount to EF in 1987.. so not much people realized the introduction of this really good lens.. (including myself)
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trifox wrote:
This is very useful info for me, Henry.
Your samples are fantastic and show the capability of the lens!!!
Your conversion looks GREAT
The infinity GOES beyond with ORIGINAL FD camera AS WELL ..
So, if you mount this lens on FD camera with his original mount, you can not get 100 per cent infinity anyway
In other words - it's not worth of effort to tune the ACCURATE infinity. So, don't worry.
(Whereas, Contax 4/80-200 has the infinity ACCURATE on Contax camera system)
Henry -- well done.
Canon FD 80-200 f/4 L -- affordable APO zoom - this lens has not been re-issued anymore.
Optical performance is simply great -- yes, vignetting is visible when fully open but bokeh of this lens is AMAZING.
Colours are WARMER than Lanthar 90 f3.5 ....
.... this is example is strong light condition - f/4
@ Rolf -- I have got its 'BRO' Canon FD 100-300 f5.6 L -- it is also GREAT -- the bokeh is EVEN better
It's hard to say which one is better
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Hi Stan,
this is not a parfocal working lens like the Angenieux Zoom lenses, so it has no fixed infinity.. its different and depending from focal lenght. So fine tuning this is not really an issue .. there you are right. IMHO the best way is to take the nearest focus distance at a given focal lenght to bring the lens in the correct working condition/distance..
On my copy, the nearest focus distance is 0.90 meter to the sensor plane at F=200mm and .96 meter at 80mm.
Infinity was reached @200mm at this point..
@F=80mm the point is earlier... near 6-7 meter...
In macro mode, the difference is much smaller in total.
So you can not find a correct infinity because this is not a fixed parfocal lens.
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Thanks Henry.
Robert was trying to get the best infinity perfomarmance at BOTH ends - which is - IMPOSSIBLE
this is ONLY one 'disadvantage' of this lens.
The 100-300 is even worse in this.
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This afternoon with Canon 1DsMkIII
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Mr Singer wrote:
thankyou Henry for these wonderful shots!
I have the chance to pick one of these rare lenses up at the moment.
I am just wondering how it will go on my 7d. do i need a certain adapter to allow infinity focus of should the fd to eos be fine?
i also want to use it for filming with my 7d and GH1, but am just wondering if it will be fast enough? |
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Stan
I do not know how you do it. Handheld in a very literal sense! Quite the demo for that lens too.
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