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kansalliskala
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:24 pm Post subject: What is a really robust film SLR or Rangefinder? |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Currently I have a Nikon F-301, Olympus OM-10 and Canon T-50. All of them sort of electronic and/or fragile.
But I really want a camera that I can toss to a car seat and not worry if it bounces on the floor. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E
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eddieitman
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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eddieitman wrote:
A few spring to mind, the zenit 11xp, (Can be used as a hammer and take pics afterwards)
Minolta X300-500-700
Olympus Trip 35 Will work for ever and ever almost
Fuji 801
the list goes on _________________ My web site www.digital-darkroom.weebly.com
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kansalliskala
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Thanks!
Minolta sounds interesting, haven't had any yet. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
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Excalibur
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Just a few that come to mind:-Nikon FM or FE, Canon FTb, Minolta SRT101b...cheaper tough mechanical cameras....cheapest Praktica MTL3 to TL5b. But some have the 1.35v battery for the meter (if it still works accurately), so a hearing aid battery could be used or just alter the asa knob with a 1.5v battery.
All these camera bodies can be picked up free (from forums) or £5-£25 depending on the make. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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konicamera
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: What is a really robust film SLR? |
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konicamera wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
Currently I have a Nikon F-301, Olympus OM-10 and Canon T-50. All of them sort of electronic and/or fragile.
But I really want a camera that I can toss to a car seat and not worry if it bounces on the floor. |
If lens mount is no object, I suggest the Cosina or Chinon-made large mechanical SLRs from the first half of the 1970s: Mechanical operation (the battery only operates the light meter and you can do without it if need be); and sturdy, dependable mechanical Copal Square shutters with 1/125s flash synchro. Most of those SLRs have match needle metering, but some have electronically timed shutters with aperture priority AE with speed going up to 1/2000 (like the Memotron CE, one of the best M42 bodies ever made). It's not necessarily high-tech by the standards of our day, but these things just go on forever. Like the old saying goes, if you're being mugged, you can first use it to knock out your assailant, and then take a mug shot of the ruffian. _________________
L'homme s'ennuie du bien, cherche le mieux, trouve le mal, et s'y soummet, crainte du pire. - Duc François-Gaston de Lévis
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Lloydy
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
The Chinon CE 4 and CE5 are great cameras, Pentax PK mount and really robust. I think they are better than the Pentax equivalents - but they are bigger and heavier.
I've got a boxful of film cameras that I'm trying to sell, all cheap, Zenit, Praktica, Minolta 7000 AF, Minolta XD7, Yashica TL Electro, Olympus OM30, and maybe more. I have too much stuff.... ![Rolling Eyes](images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif) _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
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kansalliskalaCafe
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:40 am Post subject: Re: What is a really robust film SLR? |
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kansalliskalaCafe wrote:
konicamera wrote: |
If lens mount is no object, I suggest the Cosina or Chinon-made large mechanical SLRs from the first half of the 1970s: |
I had one of those, Porst-branded, wife called it "pig-farmer's camera".
As for the Zenits - no-one can break them externally but they have a habit of spontaneus self-destruction.
Thank you all for suggestions!
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:48 am Post subject: |
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nurkov wrote:
any mechanical minolta, XG series for example _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/34787419@N08/
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kansalliskala
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
nurkov wrote: |
any mechanical minolta, XG series for example |
looks like XG-series has hit a bad case of EVF - just bodies for sale _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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kansalliskala
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
A true rangefinder with manual controls could also be fine.
But it has to have a fast lens?
My Kiev 4AM is crap, lenses are good but lack of metering real pia.
I did have an Olympus DC with 1.7 lens but it was too automatic. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Mos6502
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
I don't think there's an SLR out there that could be more rugged than something in the Exa series. Plus Exa 1b and 1c take M42 lenses and are so cheap/common that if they break it's no big deal to buy another. |
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kansalliskala
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
how about Zenit 312m?
I think it both bounces and floats
alternatively it splits to a thousand pieces when you fire it first time?
![](http://www.phogulum.com/wp-content/uploads/cameras/zenit_312m_front.jpg) _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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luisalegria
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Ricoh Singlex TLS or Sears version.
This may be the same or similar to the Porst "pig farmers" camera.
Put a solid Soligor tele on it, for a handle, and you can use it to drive nails.
Problems are the meter is probably not functional (maybe because of all those people using it to drive nails).
And the shutter is loud with a lot of mirror slap. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Nordentro wrote:
I like the canonet (poor mans Leica) ![Wink](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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kansalliskalaCafe
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:06 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskalaCafe wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
Ricoh Singlex TLS or Sears version.
This may be the same or similar to the Porst "pig farmers" camera. |
Mine was Porst Reflex TL, which is this camera too?
http://mattsclassiccameras.com/argus_cosina_1000.html
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luisalegria
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
The Ricoh Singlex is derived from a Cosina design, similar to the Argus, the Porst, etc.
The Ricoh Singlex TLS is different on one level, because the speed dial is on the front, not the top. But the earlier Ricoh Singlex (not TLS) had the speed dial on top.
On the other hand the Cosina family resemblance is there in the other details, like the body shape and size, flash sockets on the side, self timer, etc. Cosina made these in versions with the speed dial on the front or also on the top (Cosina Hi-Lite), like the Ricoh TLS.
Its really all one family. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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TAo2
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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TAo2 wrote:
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But I really want a camera that I can toss to a car seat and not worry if it bounces on the floor.
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Ye could knock nails in with this...fully mechanical...
Zenit Ðm. Sunny 16 or get a hand held meter...It takes tasty photos as well...
Or this... for breaking rocks... Minolta XE
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paulhofseth
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: Robust |
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paulhofseth wrote:
IF you want the apparatus to be impervious to water, capable of being dropped, stepped on and also wish for some automation, I suggest using the late Nikonos. When it is really raining and nobody brings photo equipment beyond the front door, I use a Nikonos five. Not very fast lens , 35mm 2,5, but with Ilford XP or something similar at 400 ASA it works. Do note that water treats light in a different way, so the "UW" lenses are useless on land. Only the 28, 35 and 70 will work when ashore. 35&70 can be used submerged.
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kansalliskalaCafe
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:26 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskalaCafe wrote:
I have a Canon Sure Shot A1 but haven't bought battery and tested it yet.
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Olivier wrote:
Edixa Mat reflex are built like tanks, are M42 and often come with very good lenses such as Schneider Kreuznach.
I also have a Nikon F2 and find it's a rock and can be used as hammer.
Else, I like middle format rangefinders like Iskra or Agilux Agifold 6x6 or Mamiya-6.
or Zorki-3M or 4.
or 35mm fixed lens rangefinders like the Fuji 35 EE or Minolta Hi-Matic 7s or Canonet-17 or 19. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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Gyles wrote:
Can't really comment due to lack of experience. However I've just picked up a Nikon FM2 and a trio of great lenses.
Searching the web reveals this to be a great, robust fully manual body, with having only a basic light meter. 1/4000 max speed & 1/250 flash sync.
I stuck a roll of XP2 in it and have been out the past weekend. Love the way it feels and handles. _________________ M43 Lenses
Pan 20mm f1.7
Pan 14-45mm
MF Lenses
Konica T3n
Hexanons - 28/3,5 40/1.8 50/1.7 135/3.2 200/3.5
Quarry Optics 28/2.8 Macro
Nikon FM2
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Jiaming
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Jiaming wrote:
Haven't tried a lot, but my Praktica MTL5 is excellent except for the non-functional timer. |
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Rick1779 wrote:
Minolta SrT100 series ![Like 1 small](images/smiles/like-1s.gif) _________________ TELLTALE
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kansalliskalaCafe
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kansalliskalaCafe wrote:
Rick1779 wrote: |
Minolta SrT100 series ![Like 1 small](images/smiles/like-1s.gif) |
I had a srt101 in my hands last Saturday but I think it was sort of overpriced and ""dusty". 85 euros with 50/2, some zoom and Tamron 135 adaptamatic. Well, the adaptamatic adapter is somewhat rare. _________________ (my normal account password still on another computer) |
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Rick1779 wrote:
A good copy can be purchased for 30 euro _________________ TELLTALE
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