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Samyang 85mm f1.4 Aspherical IF (Some samples)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
hinnerker wrote:

i think there is no need to make torture tests under the conditions you are talking about.
Each lens has its own application range.. you would never use a 1.2 Lens in heavy sunlight.. its build for available light situations. Also a portrait lens with an f-stopp of 1.4 is not the first choice for doing landscape images and so on.
This lens types especially with f/1.4 are "Specialists" for a limited area.
The are corrected for a special light situation. Sometimes its interesting to find out what more a lens can do for the photographer.. but if you are willing to accept that lenses have different usability's, so torture tests are not necessary to find limitations. The limits are clear to everyone.


I do not agree with you. In general, because it's not true that f/1.4 lenses should not be used in full sunlight and at infinity, and specifically about this situation, because someone said that this Samyang lens should replace the Planar 1.4/85 that I have. In order to do that, the Samyang would need to perform excellent against the light and up to f/8, situations where my Planar excels.
Otherwise, it's too easy to say that "lens x" is the best lens in it's focal range, and never provide image samples that show how it does in various situations that are not it's ideal situation.
If the original statement was not comparative, then maybe I would not think about it, but if one claims that a lens is better than other well known excellent lenses, the statement must be proved.

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Correct, but you can do this only in comparable situations with both lenses holding in one hand and do test shots in nearly the same/equal situations.

I think, none of us can fullfill this pre-condition for a test like that.
So the results are clear. Some compairs like this against a Nikkor 1.4/85mm AIS, i also did have many years ago, are telling enough.
And a Nikkor 1.4/85mm AIS is not a "0815" lens..
but see the test..

http://www.jsvfoto.com/Home/faqs/nikkor85mmf14aisvspolar85mmf14/nikkorpolarreview

In Addition to that its not really important for me if this lens is better or not in compairison to a Carl Zeiss 1.4/85mm. In relation/terms of price and overall performance it will outperform the Zeiss for each ones money pocket.

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't agree with "mix" quality question with money question.

I know the others members can agree with that "mix", and to consider to the money inverted like an important element in the decision.

I hear a lot of very good things about the samyang 1,4/85, but the mayority of these "very good things" are based on determinated situations and wide open. I don't have the lens and hope to see it comparated with others (new and old ones, cheaps and not cheaps if you like that categories).

I noted certain emotional charge in some affirmations about the lens. I refered to emotional 'cos they aren't accompanied by complete test with other lenses in varied (simple and complex) situations. It seems to my more like an expression of desires than technical affirmations.

The samyang can surprise to us by a very good yield wide open or at f/2,8. But the optical quality, in the photographic area, is not that single for my. Of course it is an affirmation based on the subjectivity, that can, or no, to be share.

Regards, Rino.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hinnerker wrote:

In Addition to that its not really important for me if this lens is better or not in compairison to a Carl Zeiss 1.4/85mm.


Maybe not for you, but someone else raised this comparison issue, and my remark, that you commented, was in reply to that.

hinnerker wrote:
In relation/terms of price and overall performance it will outperform the Zeiss for each ones money pocket.


Let's see about the price:
I paid 320 Euros for my Planar 1.4/85, excellent condition.
The Samyang costs 279 Euros at the best price I can find here.

About the performance:
I have yet to see. So far I only read big declaration words... and a lot very good images, but most of them shot at f/1.4, all in favourable light. I have yet to see a good backlight image yet. And please don't tell me that one is not supposed to take a backlight portrait...

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's how my Planar 1.4/85 works in backlight and strong lateral light conditions:













You stated that the Samyang outperforms the Planar, I am really curious to see the evidences that will support this statement.
I tell you in advance, even if the Samyang will just equal the Planar's performance, I will buy a copy of the Samyang for sure.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looking forward to seeing the results of the competition!!


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
hinnerker wrote:

In Addition to that its not really important for me if this lens is better or not in compairison to a Carl Zeiss 1.4/85mm.


Maybe not for you, but someone else raised this comparison issue, and my remark, that you commented, was in reply to that.

hinnerker wrote:
In relation/terms of price and overall performance it will outperform the Zeiss for each ones money pocket.


Let's see about the price:
I paid 320 Euros for my Planar 1.4/85, excellent condition.
The Samyang costs 279 Euros at the best price I can find here.

About the performance:
I have yet to see. So far I only read big declaration words... and a lot very good images, but most of them shot at f/1.4, all in favourable light. I have yet to see a good backlight image yet. And please don't tell me that one is not supposed to take a backlight portrait...

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Hi Orio,

No one did tell that. I only did tell, that most of 1.4 Lenses are not good performers wide open in the sun. I did some tests with some f/1.4/50mm lenses, Zuiko, Summilux, Mamiya 55mm, HFT Planars and lots of others.
Most of them can't handle direct sunlight situations wide open and show
glowing effects on light/shadow - surface edges.. thats all.
The best was the Summilux 1.4/50mm near #3.000.000. This lens is fantastic in all situations.

In terms of price.. i did buy the Samyang lens for 175 Euro on second hand market. The polish seller sells this lens NEW at 239 Euro or less.
To find a 1.4/85mm Planar for a 320 Euro is a bargain. You cant find the Planar everyday for that price.

But i think its the best way for you, to buy one copy and make your own
decision if my words are right or wrong... Very Happy

Ok, here are some further samples for you..



And a 100% Crop out of it..




Carsten, i hope that is ok for you to show the pic also in this forum..











Believe me, you will be very surprised.. really surprised like Carsten after testing my copy of the Samyang in Marburg.

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice samples. Good to see good ol' Carsten on the other side of the glass Wink
Yes I think I'll have to buy one copy and see for myself. Damn, I have one hundred 85-90 mm lenses already Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Nice samples. Good to see good ol' Carsten on the other side of the glass Wink
Yes I think I'll have to buy one copy and see for myself. Damn, I have one hundred 85-90 mm lenses already Rolling Eyes


Very Happy Like me.. Elmarit 90mm, Rolleinar 105mm, Samyang 85mm, Travenar 90mm and so on.. in the past Nikkor 1.4/85mm, Super Tak 1.9/85, Takumar 2.8/105 and on and on and on... Very Happy

So i decided to give them away and keep only what i need for my daily use.
The 4 Portrait lenses i will keep for the rest of my days.. Very Happy

The Samyang i did buy for the need of a fast portraits lens and was really surpriced by his optical performance after shooting with lots of expensiv lenses. Normally i am not the guy who wants 3rd brands like sigma, tamron, vivitar etc.. but after lots of positiv critics i decided to buy one copy. As you can see, normally i prefer Zeiss and especially Leica Lenses, but this "Fu...ing" Samyang is excellent.

If the Samyang not fullfill your expectations, you can easily sell them again...

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
hinnerker wrote:
The 4 Portrait lenses i will keep for the rest of my days.. Very Happy

Lol! Laughing


PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A test I did that you all may find interesting:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/825463

As far as lighting conditions, I have been using mine in all sorts of lighting and I have not noticed any weaknesses.

The only weak points of the lens are that it is not so sharp at infinity and it has some CA (but as you see in the comparison, the CA is not "terrible" at all, either).

So, this is not a comparison of the Rokinon with the Zeiss Planar, but I know for a fact that my SSC Aspherical is significantly superior to the Planar with respect to both resolution and bokeh, so you can extrapolate about how the Planar will compare to the Rokinon (based on my test).


PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Good to see good ol' Carsten on the other side of the glass Wink

What do you mean? Better on this side than on the other one? So that you do not have to look at pictures that I have taken?? Mad

Wink Laughing Just kidding, Orio, you know what "deliberate misunderstaning" is, don't you? Wink

Thank God, Henry did not post the 100% crop. You can see how superficially I shaved that day. Laughing


PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:

Thank God, Henry did not post the 100% crop. You can see how superficially I shaved that day. Laughing


but you can see it in another forum...! should i post the link? Twisted Evil Laughing


PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
supahmario wrote:
LucisPictor wrote:

Thank God, Henry did not post the 100% crop. You can see how superficially I shaved that day. Laughing


but you can see it in another forum...! should i post the link? Twisted Evil Laughing


Noooooooooooo!


PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Finally i received my Samyang 85 1.4 today but guess what? They sent me the wrong mount(EOS) even though i told them that i want Nikon mount by email at least 3 times. Now i have to wait more for a resolution!!
Sad Sad


PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shocked damn, I hope you'll solve the problem...
I'm about to order Samyang 8/3.5 and 85/1.4, but I think I'll wait a bit more Confused


PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi,

My first post here, I couldn't find a "present yourself" topic, so I say "hi" to everybody here Smile

Informed and motivated by this excellent forum & topic, I bought a Falcon 85/1.4 that should be identical to the Samyang. On a Nikon mount.

However, the lens sits loose on my Nikon to 4/3 adaptor that receives all my original Nikkor glass without any problem. The Falcon seems to sit firm on any original Nikon mount, so it must be a question of very small differences in tolerance.

I have now fixed the problem by sticking some paper tape to the lens mount, and it now sits firm Very Happy

I find the optical quality and the bokeh of the 85/1.4 very very nice !

C U
Rafael


PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
f6cvalkyrie wrote:
Hi,

My first post here, I couldn't find a "present yourself" topic, so I say "hi" to everybody here Smile

......

C U
Rafael


That is in here > http://forum.mflenses.com/user-pics-t20467.html

At "User Pics" in " The Photographer's Café" actually.
Or you can put yourself on Avatar by editing your profile.

My avatar is "me" when I was very young. hehehe

Welcome to this forum.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you, Koji, I'll go and have a look over there !

C U
Rafael


PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hinnerker wrote:
Hello @all,

if anyone is interested in some HIGH RES samples of the Samyang/Rokinon/etc..

here a link to one of my sample albums. All pics taken on a EOS 5D FF.
You can find a test pics of a wall for seeing the sharpness, vignetting etc..
Bokeh samples, nearfield behavior, color reendering etc..
The picture title mostly gives the used parameters

http://dunkelnetz.de/?level=album&id=41

regards
hinnerker


I suppose there is no AF confirm for Canon DSLR ?


PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nelson wrote:
hinnerker wrote:
Hello @all,

if anyone is interested in some HIGH RES samples of the Samyang/Rokinon/etc..

here a link to one of my sample albums. All pics taken on a EOS 5D FF.
You can find a test pics of a wall for seeing the sharpness, vignetting etc..
Bokeh samples, nearfield behavior, color reendering etc..
The picture title mostly gives the used parameters

http://dunkelnetz.de/?level=album&id=41

regards
hinnerker


I suppose there is no AF confirm for Canon DSLR ?


Right, but i did glue a confirmation chip on the EF mount.

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Finally i received my Samyang Polar but i couldn't find a model to test the lens (my wife is not in her mood to be my model).

I hope i can take a few this weekend and share with you.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey! Smile

I got a Nikon one, to get it with a focus alert adapter on my Canon 40D. It has good sharpness, when you get the point of desire. If i may show two pictures, they're between F2.8 and F4 - i can't remember, sorry. The models are from the Wilhelma, a nice botanic and animal park in Stuttgart/Germany.

Greetings,
Seb.






PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Let me show you 2 close-ups I shot recently with this lens in Nikon mount, at shortest focusing distance and @ 2.8 iso400 (camera G1)





C U,
Rafael


PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I resume this old post for a question.

A friend of mine wants a fast prime for his nikon D40.

Has the nikon version a chip to wake up the meter or not?

Thanks!!!!


PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
paperinik wrote:
I resume this old post for a question.

A friend of mine wants a fast prime for his nikon D40.

Has the nikon version a chip to wake up the meter or not?

Thanks!!!!


No, unfortunately it doesn't have a chip, but he may be able to add one himself.
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