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VGR
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 Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: Helios-77 (50/1.8) - super Russian 50mm lens, review + IMG |
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VGR wrote:
Helios-77 (50/1.8 ) - super M42 Russian 50mm lens! IMHO
in my test It is sharper than 50mm Pancolar, Pentacon and OM 50/1.8!
Has soft beautiful bohe and cost $20-25 !
E330 + Helios-77 (50/1.8 )
M42-4/3 adapter with AF-confirm:
http://oly43club.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=230
full-size photo:
http://oly43club.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=55
JPG, resize:
f/1.8
f/2
f/4-5.6
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Orio wrote:
It really looks great, VGR !!
And your portraits are top notch as always (not to mention your models  )
I was not aware of the existence of this Helios. Any clue about optical scheme?
I must get one copy of this lens.
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Farside wrote:
Nice shots. Yet another Russian glass to add to the list.
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Richard_D wrote:
Your portraits are always so good I struggle to look behind them to see how the lens performs 
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VGR
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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VGR wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
It really looks great, VGR !!
And your portraits are top notch as always (not to mention your models ) |
Thanks!
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| I was not aware of the existence of this Helios. Any clue about optical scheme? |
I am not assured precisely but Helios-77 it finally working of Helios-44М-7 (58/2), which have counted on 50mm:
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Orio wrote:
Based on what I see: Double Gauss.
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poilu wrote:
Superb VGR 
Do you need an assistant to carry your bag ?
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VGR wrote:
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Superb VGR
Do you need an assistant to carry your bag ? |
without necessity, but...
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kuuan wrote:
wow, real beauties..ah..a real beauty.
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Borges wrote:
There are only very few informations about this lens in the net. It was a replacement / kit-lens for the Zenit 122. Lens design is from 1990, no further improvement in resolution specs compared to Helios 44M-whatsoever, only angle of view and speed.
As far as I understand the things I've read, the unusual focal length of the original Helios 44 and the successors (58mm) was the result of problems of the russian lens designers to archieve acceptable results in using the Biotar-Design for a shorter focal length than that. With the improvement of materials and production methods it gets possible later, for example with the Helios 77M. But as we all know, this was a short time before the decline of the soviet camera industry.
As usual they were made by a few factories. The Helios 77 from VGR is made by Jupiter Valdai. I had one from VOMZ Vologda.
Here are a few specs I have from the Zenit 122 manual:
http://www.winken-zemke.info/?p=20
But as usual, I'm so impressed by the examples from VGR here. A few more and I will sell all my lens. I think I'm just a boring tech-head
Thanks for showing, VGR!
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montecarlo wrote:
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Based on what I see: Double Gauss.
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Same as Helios 44 (?) http://www.zenit.istra.ru/archive/lenses/helios-44.html
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patrickh wrote:
VGR
I dont know which is more fun - the lens or the models. Thanks for both
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Orio wrote:
There must be a relation then between the Planar (double gauss) and the Biotar. OK I surely am not a scientist. But the schemes look the same.
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Borges wrote:
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There must be a relation then between the Planar (double gauss) and the Biotar. OK I surely am not a scientist. But the schemes look the same. |
Yes, there is a relationship. Rudolph improved the double gauss with the planar end of the 19th century. This was followed up by the Lee Opic Lens from 1920 - and this one was adopted by Merté from Zeiss for the biotar.
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themoleman342 wrote:
I have to say I never was aware of the helios 77m....the 77m-4 is somewhat more common. The faceplate of the first lens picture is interesting. It seems as if the c (which is a s in cryllic) in the mc has been translated along with it. Very very odd. Actually mention of the 77m (without -4) can't be found anywhere. I found this site selling it : http://www.indie35.com/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,44/option,com_phpshop/Itemid,18/ but thats about it...
Now are your samples from the 77m-4? If this were the case than I believe resolution spec have been improved somewhat from the 44m - from 38/19 to 45/25 center/edge. Even from the helios mc 44m-4 - 41/20
This is another one of those lenses that actually have different types of multicoating put on during their production run. The helios 77m-4 with a golden/yellow coating are very rare compared to the purple/blue/red cast ones.
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Attila wrote:
Amazing captures as always! Very nice ones! Many thanks for sharing!
Any good news about Olympus-E1 emulator ?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Borges wrote:
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If this were the case than I believe resolution spec have been improved somewhat from the 44m - from 38/19 to 45/25 center/edge. Even from the helios mc 44m-4 - 41/20
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O.k., that's right, I mean further improvement against 44M-5,6,7. The highest resolution has the 44M-7 with 50/30 (in theory, but again boring specs )
By the way, I have found the reason I mentioned above for the unusual focal length of 58mm for Helios 44: Prof Volosovym had to increase the distance between lens and film to make the lens usable for SLR with mirrors. So the focal length of the design changed from 52mm to 58mm. There was no other way with the given optical glass.
(see http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/history/baklanov-about-helios.html with an online translator of your choice ). And later - with improved materials - back to 52mm with the Helios 77M-4.
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VGR
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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VGR wrote:
Thanks all for comments!!!
I have Helios-77M and Helios-77M-4, On quality between them I have not noticed a difference...
Theoretically Helios-77M-4 better!
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poilu wrote:
so beautiful, a delight to review those shots
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no-X wrote:
Hi, I own Helios 77M:
but I can't find who manufactured this lens. 77M-4 was manufactured by Jupiter/Valdaj and Vologda, but there is no single mention about 77M's manufacturer. Does anybody know...? |
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Attila wrote:
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Hi, I own Helios 77M:
but I can't find who manufactured this lens. 77M-4 was manufactured by Jupiter/Valdaj and Vologda, but there is no single mention about 77M's manufacturer. Does anybody know...? |
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themoleman342 wrote:
wow look at that coating! |
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
The coating is quite interesting: red + green + cyan + violet. |
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Fotal wrote:
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Hi, I own Helios 77M:
but I can't find who manufactured this lens. 77M-4 was manufactured by Jupiter/Valdaj and Vologda, but there is no single mention about 77M's manufacturer. Does anybody know...? |
Welcome to the forum!
My copy has a different faceplate also including "ZENIT" and the Jupiter-Optics factory logo.
http://www.jupiter-optics.com
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