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Helios-77 (50/1.8) - super Russian 50mm lens, review + IMG
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Helios-77 (50/1.8) - super Russian 50mm lens, review + IMG Reply with quote





Helios-77 (50/1.8 ) - super M42 Russian 50mm lens! IMHO

in my test It is sharper than 50mm Pancolar, Pentacon and OM 50/1.8!

Has soft beautiful bohe and cost $20-25 !


E330 + Helios-77 (50/1.8 )

M42-4/3 adapter with AF-confirm:

http://oly43club.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=230

full-size photo:
http://oly43club.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=55

JPG, resize:

f/1.8






f/2



f/4-5.6





















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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really looks great, VGR !!
And your portraits are top notch as always (not to mention your models Wink )

I was not aware of the existence of this Helios. Any clue about optical scheme?
I must get one copy of this lens.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice shots. Yet another Russian glass to add to the list.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your portraits are always so good I struggle to look behind them to see how the lens performs Smile


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
It really looks great, VGR !!
And your portraits are top notch as always (not to mention your models Wink )


Thanks!


Quote:
I was not aware of the existence of this Helios. Any clue about optical scheme?


I am not assured precisely but Helios-77 it finally working of Helios-44М-7 (58/2), which have counted on 50mm:



PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on what I see: Double Gauss.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superb VGR Shocked
Do you need an assistant to carry your bag ?


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poilu wrote:
Superb VGR Shocked
Do you need an assistant to carry your bag ?


Very Happy

without necessity, but...



PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, real beauties..ah..a real beauty.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are only very few informations about this lens in the net. It was a replacement / kit-lens for the Zenit 122. Lens design is from 1990, no further improvement in resolution specs compared to Helios 44M-whatsoever, only angle of view and speed.
As far as I understand the things I've read, the unusual focal length of the original Helios 44 and the successors (58mm) was the result of problems of the russian lens designers to archieve acceptable results in using the Biotar-Design for a shorter focal length than that. With the improvement of materials and production methods it gets possible later, for example with the Helios 77M. But as we all know, this was a short time before the decline of the soviet camera industry.

As usual they were made by a few factories. The Helios 77 from VGR is made by Jupiter Valdai. I had one from VOMZ Vologda.

Here are a few specs I have from the Zenit 122 manual:
http://www.winken-zemke.info/?p=20

But as usual, I'm so impressed by the examples from VGR here. A few more and I will sell all my lens. I think I'm just a boring tech-head Very Happy

Thanks for showing, VGR!


Michael


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
Based on what I see: Double Gauss.

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Same as Helios 44 (?) http://www.zenit.istra.ru/archive/lenses/helios-44.html


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VGR

I dont know which is more fun - the lens or the models. Thanks for both


patrickh


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

montecarlo wrote:
Orio wrote:
Based on what I see: Double Gauss.

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Same as Helios 44 (?) http://www.zenit.istra.ru/archive/lenses/helios-44.html


There must be a relation then between the Planar (double gauss) and the Biotar. OK I surely am not a scientist. But the schemes look the same.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:


There must be a relation then between the Planar (double gauss) and the Biotar. OK I surely am not a scientist. But the schemes look the same.


Yes, there is a relationship. Rudolph improved the double gauss with the planar end of the 19th century. This was followed up by the Lee Opic Lens from 1920 - and this one was adopted by Mert from Zeiss for the biotar.

Michael


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say I never was aware of the helios 77m....the 77m-4 is somewhat more common. The faceplate of the first lens picture is interesting. It seems as if the c (which is a s in cryllic) in the mc has been translated along with it. Very very odd. Actually mention of the 77m (without -4) can't be found anywhere. I found this site selling it : http://www.indie35.com/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,44/option,com_phpshop/Itemid,18/ but thats about it...

Now are your samples from the 77m-4? If this were the case than I believe resolution spec have been improved somewhat from the 44m - from 38/19 to 45/25 center/edge. Even from the helios mc 44m-4 - 41/20

This is another one of those lenses that actually have different types of multicoating put on during their production run. The helios 77m-4 with a golden/yellow coating are very rare compared to the purple/blue/red cast ones.

~Marc


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing captures as always! Very nice ones! Many thanks for sharing!

Any good news about Olympus-E1 emulator ?


PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

themoleman342 wrote:

If this were the case than I believe resolution spec have been improved somewhat from the 44m - from 38/19 to 45/25 center/edge. Even from the helios mc 44m-4 - 41/20


O.k., that's right, I mean further improvement against 44M-5,6,7. The highest resolution has the 44M-7 with 50/30 (in theory, but again boring specs Wink )

By the way, I have found the reason I mentioned above for the unusual focal length of 58mm for Helios 44: Prof Volosovym had to increase the distance between lens and film to make the lens usable for SLR with mirrors. So the focal length of the design changed from 52mm to 58mm. There was no other way with the given optical glass.
(see http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/history/baklanov-about-helios.html with an online translator of your choice Very Happy ). And later - with improved materials - back to 52mm with the Helios 77M-4.

Michael


PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all for comments!!!

I have Helios-77M and Helios-77M-4, On quality between them I have not noticed a difference...

Theoretically Helios-77M-4 better!


PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so beautiful, a delight to review those shots Smile


PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, I own Helios 77M:



but I can't find who manufactured this lens. 77M-4 was manufactured by Jupiter/Valdaj and Vologda, but there is no single mention about 77M's manufacturer. Does anybody know...?


PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no-X wrote:
Hi, I own Helios 77M:



but I can't find who manufactured this lens. 77M-4 was manufactured by Jupiter/Valdaj and Vologda, but there is no single mention about 77M's manufacturer. Does anybody know...?


Welcome!


PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow look at that coating!


PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The coating is quite interesting: red + green + cyan + violet.


PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no-X wrote:
Hi, I own Helios 77M:

but I can't find who manufactured this lens. 77M-4 was manufactured by Jupiter/Valdaj and Vologda, but there is no single mention about 77M's manufacturer. Does anybody know...?



Welcome to the forum!

My copy has a different faceplate also including "ZENIT" and the Jupiter-Optics factory logo.

http://www.jupiter-optics.com


PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some quick tests from my 77M (unedited shots)



f/1.8:
http://www.abload.de/img/sdim2095rwf.jpg

f/2.8:
http://www.abload.de/img/sdim2099oy4.jpg

f/4:
http://www.abload.de/img/sdim2101qw9.jpg

f/7.1:
http://www.abload.de/img/sdim21040pn.jpg