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koji
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 Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject: Yet another old photo |
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koji wrote:
This is a special military photo, most likely made by army photog I guess.
It is a rare footage, not distributed to general public during the war.
At the end of the battle of singapore, Lt Gen Yamashita and
Lt Gen Parcival standing right of the two. I do not know the right most
guy half in this photo.
There is one another never seen available, I will donate these two photos
to Wikipedia someday.
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hacksawbob wrote:
Ho did you come by these pictures? very intersting record. And photographically you can see the resolution in the generals face. British doing what British do best standing firm. I think they still have their firearms was this the surrender?
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
Koji, I find this superb! Of course, it was a bad time for everyone involved, but we cannot change history. But it's great that you submit this photo to the right sites. Another piece of history saved...
I happen to own a Japanese Trench Periscope, made in 1944 by Asahi Optical Co. As far as I know, I'm the only one owning an Asahi item that was made during wartime...
Can you possibly tell more about the label on the case? As not everything was clear to the translator.
Many thanks!
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koji
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koji wrote:
Hi Spotmatic,
The most difficult line is the top line,
it says 93 (it is 2593 years from the beginning of Japan, = AD 1933 designed)
........... type
........... 50mm (diameter of object lens)
........... observation/reconnaissance (more like later meaning in this case)
........... scope (in this case not means "mirror", used for binocular too)
............ 東 Name plant location (most likely, this is "to" of "Tokyo")
........... made @ Showa 19 (1944) Feb (just after I was born !)
........... the last one is name of maker, correct
........... Asahi Optical Industrial partnership in commendam Co. Ltd.
................................^-----this part is a bit too much------^............
The year 2593 is Military government at that era invented "the term"
and the origin of japan in order to consolidate "soul of japan" to unite
people for invading south asia and china. Anyway this reign name (KOHKI) is
no longer used of course. We (not me) used to say Koki 2593 nen (year)
for 1944, now we use gregorian years but the government offices still
use Emperor's reign name such as Showa, Heisei (current) xx year.
(I think it is a silly practice but it is a part of japanese culture today.
And if I say it loudly in Japan, I might be killed by an ultra-rightest guy.
It is not a joke, which is very sad thing. UUGGHH)
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koji
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koji wrote:
Hi Hacksawbob,
According to Wikipedia British signed in "truce", not "surrender" which
japanese thought it was an unconditional surrender. Lt Gen Yamashita
ask "yes or no" for british (to surrender), that was general consensus
today. That was one of reasons british officers did not take off their
weapons?! I have one more (this one is a much rare photo). >
It looks like they were having a picnic. 
My father-in-law was a military officer (japanese army lieutenant)
for logistics, he might have gotton these photos.
.......
And I hope these photos bring more on-line users to MFlenses
so that Attila will be much happier. 
This thread becomes a rare hisorical one I hope. Gahahaha
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Attila wrote:
Thanks!!
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koji wrote:
A further research (what an exaggeration) reveals those photos were military
issued POST-CARDs!!! No wander My father_in_law had them, though
never sent them to anyone. That was luck! But I have never seen those photos
other than a photo in Wikipedia's page of "the battle of Singapore" in english.
That is more a mystery than why my father_in_law had them.
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Hi Spotmatic,
The most difficult line is the top line,
it says 93 (it is 2593 years from the beginning of Japan, = AD 1933 designed)
........... type
........... 50mm (diameter of object lens)
........... observation/reconnaissance (more like later meaning in this case)
........... scope (in this case not means "mirror", used for binocular too)
............ 東 Name plant location (most likely, this is "to" of "Tokyo")
........... made @ Showa 19 (1944) Feb (just after I was born !)
........... the last one is name of maker, correct
........... Asahi Optical Industrial partnership in commendam Co. Ltd.
................................^-----this part is a bit too much------^............
The year 2593 is Military government at that era invented "the term"
and the origin of japan in order to consolidate "soul of japan" to unite
people for invading south asia and china. Anyway this reign name (KOHKI) is
no longer used of course. We (not me) used to say Koki 2593 nen (year)
for 1944, now we use gregorian years but the government offices still
use Emperor's reign name such as Showa, Heisei (current) xx year.
(I think it is a silly practice but it is a part of japanese culture today.
And if I say it loudly in Japan, I might be killed by an ultra-rightest guy.
It is not a joke, which is very sad thing. UUGGHH) |
Koji, thank you very, very much for this translation (even though it was a bit offtopic). Certainly a great help for me. Also, I found your remarks about the way to name years quite interesting.
Now I'd need to find another Asahi item from WWII. Those are rare!
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Farside wrote:
Interesting piece of history, Koji. I've seen a pic somewhere of the Singapore surrender, but it wasn't the same as that. I'd imagine the photographers there might have been quite busy, but that one looks more like a personal record of the event.
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