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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Kiev-4 samples Reply with quote
I got the test roll for the Kiev-4.
Film Agfa 100 B&W, usual Epson 4490 scanner
The lens is always the Jupiter-8 50mm f/2 (soviet Sonnar copy)

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1, detail


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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2, detail a.


2, detail b.



PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It sure holds detail in both light and dark - and that's a very artistic test shot too Smile I love those stone banisters. Looks like another excellent setup.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't I can't really judge on a scanned B&W picture. What is your impression you are very experienced on this area.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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3, detail a.


3, detail b.


3, detail c.


3, detail d. (corner)


Last edited by Orio on Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:37 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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4, detail a.


4, detail b.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think I have set sharpening in the scanner a bit too strong.
It looks right when resized, but at scanning size looks a bit harsh.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio is just showing off! Leave it to him to have a keeper in every frame! Laughing Looks excellent to me Orio, you've got a great piece of kit!

Bill


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Don't I can't really judge on a scanned B&W picture. What is your impression you are very experienced on this area.


I think the Jupiter-8 has a nice contrast and is well suited for black and white.

I wonder why #2 has turned out green. I scanned in "B&W negative film" mode. Strange. Every now and then the 4490 makes it weird.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
look very good
100% crop doesn't count for a lot, the grain is always awful on lcd monitors but once printed grain is transformed in texture


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio, try some Neopan Acros 100 in it, very small grain...


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
Orio, try some Neopan Acros 100 in it, very small grain...


I will, Bill.

Actually I am not disturbed by the grain here. Just by the excessive sharpening.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I really like the bokeh, as in 2, detail b


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The lens looks like a good performer and I don't mind the grain, either.
I just have to make sure my scanner doesn't have any cat hair on the
glass when I scan! Laughing Laughing Evil or Very Mad


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
the first two have a real classic vintage look, very classy rendering.

For my taste the contrast is a bit high perhaps, I find scanning for mid gradations is the hardest bit.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nesster wrote:
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For my taste the contrast is a bit high perhaps, I find scanning for mid gradations is the hardest bit.


Yes.
I think it depends more from my scanning, than from the lens.
I will try to rescan with better settings.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The focussing is spot on so the rangefinder is accurate, and the exposures look perfect so the shutter is fine too. They all look superb Orio, especially No 1 with the steps.

I think the graininess is probably more related to the film than the scanner, but I'm not an Agfa fan so maybe that's a biassed view. I'd like to see what it does with a fine-grain film like PanF, FP4+ or T-Max100.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A better scan made all the difference!
Look here!!!

whole image


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, big difference! So what were your settings this time?


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
Yes, big difference! So what were your settings this time?


I reduced the in-scanning sharpness, and adjusted the black and white points to have less extreme and more conservative positions.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Worked very well, thanks.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I really do prefer that mid tone set - much easier on the eye. Got me thinking about a Russki rangefinder now. Smile


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Jupiter-8 really does great for being a 15-20 Euros lens.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Man these are nice first time out results again Shocked Orio I think your J8 is a super winner at least based off of these samples. It will be very interesting to see the some color results. How do you like shooting the Kiev?


PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ahhh... this is the reason for shooting with this kind of equipment. That's timeless
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