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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: Kiev-4 samples |
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Orio wrote:
I got the test roll for the Kiev-4.
Film Agfa 100 B&W, usual Epson 4490 scanner
The lens is always the Jupiter-8 50mm f/2 (soviet Sonnar copy)
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1, detail
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
2.
2, detail a.
2, detail b.
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Nesster
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
It sure holds detail in both light and dark - and that's a very artistic test shot too I love those stone banisters. Looks like another excellent setup. _________________ -Jussi
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Attila
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Don't I can't really judge on a scanned B&W picture. What is your impression you are very experienced on this area. _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
3.
3, detail a.
3, detail b.
3, detail c.
3, detail d. (corner)
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
4.
4, detail a.
4, detail b.
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I think I have set sharpening in the scanner a bit too strong.
It looks right when resized, but at scanning size looks a bit harsh. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Orio is just showing off! Leave it to him to have a keeper in every frame! Looks excellent to me Orio, you've got a great piece of kit!
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Don't I can't really judge on a scanned B&W picture. What is your impression you are very experienced on this area. |
I think the Jupiter-8 has a nice contrast and is well suited for black and white.
I wonder why #2 has turned out green. I scanned in "B&W negative film" mode. Strange. Every now and then the 4490 makes it weird. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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poilu
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
look very good
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Orio, try some Neopan Acros 100 in it, very small grain... |
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Katastrofo wrote: |
Orio, try some Neopan Acros 100 in it, very small grain... |
I will, Bill.
Actually I am not disturbed by the grain here. Just by the excessive sharpening. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I really like the bokeh, as in 2, detail b _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
The lens looks like a good performer and I don't mind the grain, either.
I just have to make sure my scanner doesn't have any cat hair on the
glass when I scan! |
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Nesster
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
the first two have a real classic vintage look, very classy rendering.
For my taste the contrast is a bit high perhaps, I find scanning for mid gradations is the hardest bit. _________________ -Jussi
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Nesster wrote: |
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For my taste the contrast is a bit high perhaps, I find scanning for mid gradations is the hardest bit. |
Yes.
I think it depends more from my scanning, than from the lens.
I will try to rescan with better settings. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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peterqd
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
The focussing is spot on so the rangefinder is accurate, and the exposures look perfect so the shutter is fine too. They all look superb Orio, especially No 1 with the steps.
I think the graininess is probably more related to the film than the scanner, but I'm not an Agfa fan so maybe that's a biassed view. I'd like to see what it does with a fine-grain film like PanF, FP4+ or T-Max100. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
A better scan made all the difference!
Look here!!!
whole image
details
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Yes, big difference! So what were your settings this time? |
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Katastrofo wrote: |
Yes, big difference! So what were your settings this time? |
I reduced the in-scanning sharpness, and adjusted the black and white points to have less extreme and more conservative positions. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Worked very well, thanks. |
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Farside
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
I really do prefer that mid tone set - much easier on the eye. Got me thinking about a Russki rangefinder now. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
The Jupiter-8 really does great for being a 15-20 Euros lens. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Man these are nice first time out results again Orio I think your J8 is a super winner at least based off of these samples. It will be very interesting to see the some color results. How do you like shooting the Kiev? _________________ Moderator |
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Nesster
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Ahhh... this is the reason for shooting with this kind of equipment. That's timeless _________________ -Jussi
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