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romans001
Joined: 06 Aug 2013 Posts: 41 Location: Slovakia
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:26 pm Post subject: Help! Will Retina-Longar-Xenon C f:4/80 fit my DKL adapter? |
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romans001 wrote:
Hi folks,
i would like to buy following lens but i am not sure if it fits my dkl adapter. I think it should be fine but i would like to ask for your help/advise
Kodak Schneider-Kreuznach, Retina-Longar-Xenon C f:4/80 mm
and i am using this adapter
http://www.ebay.com/itm/130799598462?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
thanks!
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Aanything
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
I think the "c" retina lenses are to be used on a camera that has some of the optical elements fixed inside the body, like the zeiss ikon contaflex, and I think it won't work on a standard dkl adapter. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
Your lens only fits to Retina IIIc with Xenon 50/2.
See here > http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kodak_Retina_IIIc _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
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romans001
Joined: 06 Aug 2013 Posts: 41 Location: Slovakia
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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romans001 wrote:
thank you for kind help
is there any way how to find out quickly which lenses will fit my dkl adapter?
could you suggest where to go or how to find if lens will fit this dkl adapter?
i am struggling often |
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Farside
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
Only a few cameras used the Deckel mount; the most popular ones were the Voigtlander Bessamatic and the Kodak Retina Reflex-S (both SLRs), and Kodak Retina IIIs rangefinder.
As discussed in this thread, http://forum.mflenses.com/retina-iiis-t61817.html
there are differences between SLR and RF coupling, but that doesn't matter for a DKL adapter, both types will fit. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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l9magen
Joined: 13 Jul 2011 Posts: 326 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:44 am Post subject: |
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l9magen wrote:
All of these lenses (below) will work with your DKL adapter. I've had or still have each of them, and have had no problems using them on my 7D with an adapter by cn-yeenon (eBay seller); the Skoparex and Septon had no mirror-clearance issues on my 5Dii, but that might be just my luck. The Schneiders will hit the 5D mirror. I can't say I've ever heard about mirror issues with Pentax digital bodies.
Schneider-Kreuznach Retina-Curtagon f2.8 35mm - very good colour rendition
Schneider-Kreuznach Retina Xenar f2.8 / 45mm
Schneider-Kreuznach Retina-Xenon f1.9 / 50mm - great lens!
Schneider-Kreuznach Retina-Xenar f2.8 / 50mm - soft to some, but I like it.
Schneider-Kreuznach Retina Tele-Xenar f4 / 135
Voigtlander Skoparex f3.4 35mm - great lens!
Voigtlander Septon f2 / 50mm
Voigtlander Super-Dynarex f4 / 135mm
There is a Retina-Tele-Arton f4 / 85mm too but have never used it as the minimum focus distance was just too long for me. And of course the Schneider Curtagon 28mm referred to by Farside. Rodenstock made matching lenses to the Schneiders, all of which we're designed to be interchangeable on the Retina Reflex S and Retina IIIS. I've never tried the Rodenstocks as they are now too expensive. And that might be your biggest problem: present prices are high. I saw a Septon on eBay going for a BIN price of over $375 and the description stated both fungus and separation.
Good luck. _________________ Lochlann
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RF lenses: Zeiss ZM, assorted Japanese LTMs & Nikkor-S |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:27 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I think all the Septon have separation issues sooner or later.
There are more you can use but these are not for ordinary users as they are either too expensive or rare. I do not include the zoom or any super-tele lens.
Voigtlander Skopagon 2/40 - double-gauss based wide angle with outstanding color and sharpness at its time. Usually has separation issues
Rodenstock 2.8/30, 4/35, 2.8/50, 1.9/50, 4/85, 4/135 - color rendition similar to those Lecia in its time?
Steinheil 4.5/35, 1.9/50 - natural color and good sharpness
There are even some more rare DKL lens in the world but you will need luck and money to buy them so I do not mention them here. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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l9magen
Joined: 13 Jul 2011 Posts: 326 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:32 am Post subject: |
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l9magen wrote:
Good catch Calvin, I completely forgot about the Skopagon - I believe Rino liked it a lot. I just looked for those being sold online: pricey!
Do you have samples posted from the Quinon? Edit: just found it: great colours & images.
Last question: why is it that Schneider and Rodenstock lenses cannot interchange (Schneider-body, Rodenstock lens), but they each can work on the same adapter? _________________ Lochlann
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RF lenses: Zeiss ZM, assorted Japanese LTMs & Nikkor-S
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Farside
Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 6557 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
l9magen wrote: |
Last question: why is it that Schneider and Rodenstock lenses cannot interchange (Schneider-body, Rodenstock lens), but they each can work on the same adapter? |
They both are DKL mount, but Kodak and Voigtlander chose to put the access notch in a different place in the mount. Easy to file an additional notch to allow cross-compatibility, and the DKL adapter will accept both by design. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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l9magen
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:37 am Post subject: |
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l9magen wrote:
Thanks Farside - do you have an image of the modification? _________________ Lochlann
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cambug
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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cambug wrote:
For DKL mount SLRs, there are two more models from Kodak that share the same lens mount: the Retina Reflex III and Retina Reflex IV, which is the last one they made. The very first Retina Reflex uses the same concept as Retina IIIc and Retina IIIC, that is a fixed rear lens group behind the shutter and a interchangeable front group. Kodak stated clearly that if the rear group is made by Schneider, the front group has to be made by Schneider as well. Similarly, if the rear group is from Rodenstock, the front group has to be matched by one from Rodenstock. This is the incompatibaility of Retina cameras, no such problem for Retina Reflex S, III and IV. While the current DKL adapters can be used for both Retina Reflex lenses as well as those from Voigtlander for Bassamatic, the only exception I found was the 200mm Tele Xenar for Retina Reflex, the mount is a bit different from all the rest.
Lens separation on cemented group is a common problem for lenses made by Voigtlander, Rodenstock and Carl Zeiss of 1950s and 1960s, much less so for Schneider or Zeiss Jena, also uncommon for Japanese manufacturers, may be they used the wrong glue? |
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romans001
Joined: 06 Aug 2013 Posts: 41 Location: Slovakia
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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romans001 wrote:
thanks folks!
sorry for stupid question, is it worth of searching and buying this old dkl lenses and use them on modern slr cameras?
are there any drawbacks beside automatic exposure and autofocus? do they produce same quality output on digital camera as on old slr?
i am little bit in stress what to do
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Here's a fairly comprehensive lit of DKL lenses. There are probably more Steinheils, but I don't know what they are. I think Enna also made some DKL lenses.
· Steinheil Culmigon 35mm f/4.5
· Steinheil Cassarit 50mm f/2.8
· Steinheil Culminar 50mm f/2.8
· Steinheil Quinon 50mm f/1.9
· Schneider-Kreuznach Curtagon 28mm f/4
· Schneider-Kreuznach Curtagon 35mm f/2.8
· Schneider-Kreuznach Xenar 45mm f/2.8
· Schneider-Kreuznach Xenar 50mm f/2.8
· Schneider-Kreuznach Xenon 50mm f/1.9
· Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Arton 85mm f/4
· Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Arton 90mm f/4
· Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Xenar 135mm f/4
· Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Xenar 200mm f/4.8
· Rodenstock Eurygon 30mm f/2.8
· Rodenstock Eurygon 35m f/4
· Rodenstock Ysarex 50mm f/2.8
· Rodenstock Heligon 50mm f/1.9
· Rodenstock Rotelar 85mm f/4
· Rodenstock Rotelar 135mm f/4
· Voigtlander Skoparet/Skoparex 35mm f/3.4
· Voigtlander Skopagon 40mm f/2.0
· Voigtlander Color-Skopar-X 50mm f/2.8
· Voigtlander Color Lanthar 50mm f/2.8
· Voigtlander Septon 50mm f/2
· Voigtlander Dynarex 90mm f/3.4
· Voigtlander Dynaret/Dynarex 100mm f/4.8
· Voigtlander Super-Dynaret/Dynarex 135mm f/4
· Voigtlander Super Dynarex 200mm f/4.0
· Voigtlander Super Dynarex 350mm f/5.6
· Voigtlander Zoomar 36–82mm f/2.8 _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Farside
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
l9magen wrote: |
Thanks Farside - do you have an image of the modification? |
Rick Oleson's site to the rescue...
http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-150.html
Examining mine - it's a simple five-minute Dremel job. Before the Dremel it would have been a bit of a pita, but do-able.
romans001 wrote: |
sorry for stupid question, is it worth of searching and buying this old dkl lenses and use them on modern slr cameras?
are there any drawbacks beside automatic exposure and autofocus? do they produce same quality output on digital camera as on old slr? |
The quality's good. Nice colour rendition. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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tao
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:38 am Post subject: |
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tao wrote:
romans001 wrote: |
thanks folks!
sorry for stupid question, is it worth of searching and buying this old dkl lenses and use them on modern slr cameras?
are there any drawbacks beside automatic exposure and autofocus? do they produce same quality output on digital camera as on old slr?
i am little bit in stress what to do
it |
I think playing with DKL lenses are great fun. They are mostly cute, small and light. The drawbacks are the generally long MFD and the adapter is thick and ugly compared to the lenses. |
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calvin83
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:00 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
The list from Ian is nearly cover all except the following few rare lenses:
Wittnauer Chronostar Coated 50mm f/2.8 - a re-branded lens, not sure who is the marker. It is certain that it made in W.Germany.
Vemar Telephoto 135 f/4 - the only one Made in Japan lens for Retina Reflex
Schneider Braun-Radiogon 35mm f/4 - rare early wide angle , not as good as the later Curtagon
Staeble BRAUN-Reflex-Ultralit 50mm f/2.8 - very rare, good color from the samples i have see
Enna BRAUN-Reflex-Litnagon 35mm f/3.5 - very rare, usually it is bundle with a Quinon together for sell
Care Zeiss Planar 50mm f/2 - prototype only
Care Zeiss Tessar 50mm f/2.8 - prototype only
Later lens form Schneider and Voigtlander will have slightly shorter 0.6M MFD. Some of the Voigtlander even goes closer:
Voigtlander Skoparex 35/3.4 0.4M
Voigtlander Skopagon 40/2 0.5M
This should be a rather complete list of the DKL lenses. Some of the variation have not included. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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cambug
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:11 am Post subject: |
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cambug wrote:
Ian,
I think the Dynaret or Super Dynaret you mentioned on lenses supplied by Voigtlander are for Voigtlander Vitessa T, a rangefinder camera. They look quite similar to Dynarex or Super Dynarex, but with their own aperture ring, there are adapters available to use theses Vitessa T lenses on SLR cameras. As such, I believe Vitessa T is not using DKL mount, although they look so similar... |
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aerogami
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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aerogami wrote:
romans001 wrote: |
thanks folks!
sorry for stupid question, is it worth of searching and buying this old dkl lenses and use them on modern slr cameras?
are there any drawbacks beside automatic exposure and autofocus? do they produce same quality output on digital camera as on old slr?
i am little bit in stress what to do
it |
They are mostly very nice, substantial lenses that definitely have a "vintage" rendering quality to the output, especially as they get into the wider mm sizes. Color Skopar X images have a swirl to them as you move away from center that you may or may not like, definitely an old-fashioned look. The main drawback to all of the ones I have used is that their nearest focal distances are all very long. You have to stand much further from the subject than you may want to. So for landscape and even wildlife work they are useable, otherwise they can be frustrating to work with. One of the main ways I use mine is as makeshift macro lenses on a single short macro tube. The long setback native to the lens works in your favor so you can close-focus from a little greater distance than a standard lens on a tube would allow, so it's really a closeup lens rather than taking you all the way to macro - unless you stack several tubes together. I have both Schneider and Voigtlander lenses for the deckel mount, and they all render beautifully and with lively color, using as a macro accentuates their painterly OOF rendering as well as center sharpness.
I have the super-dynarex 135, curtagon 35, color skopar x 50, and tele-xenar 135 and I really have a soft spot for them. They are all small,color Skopar X is tiny for a 50. The little moving dof indicators are a sweet feature of these lenses.
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aerogami
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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aerogami wrote:
Here is a shot I took the other day with the Schneider tele-xenar 135 on a short macro tube.
This one is with the Super-Dynarex 135
This is with the Color-Skopar X 50
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jamaeolus wrote:
Nice shots! I have a bunch of these DKL lenses and I really like them. The Schneider 50mm 1.9 and the Tele Arton 85mm f4 (or its Retina Reflex cousin which is probably an identical optical layout at 90mm f4) are both fantastic lenses. Voigtlander Septon is great as well bu a bit more expensive for some reason. I like to use a Helical adapter sandwich with my Sony A7rii (ie Sony nex to M42 and M42 to DKL}. This allows both infinity and great close focus capabilities which in the native mount is a bit of a problem.
Here are some shots I took with the 90mm f4 a while back.
http://forum.mflenses.com/schneider-tele-arton-90mm-f4-samples-t77671.html _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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aerogami
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aerogami wrote:
jamaeolus wrote: |
Nice shots! I have a bunch of these DKL lenses and I really like them. The Schneider 50mm 1.9 and the Tele Arton 85mm f4 (or its Retina Reflex cousin which is probably an identical optical layout at 90mm f4) are both fantastic lenses. Voigtlander Septon is great as well bu a bit more expensive for some reason. I like to use a Helical adapter sandwich with my Sony A7rii (ie Sony nex to M42 and M42 to DKL}. This allows both infinity and great close focus capabilities which in the native mount is a bit of a problem.
Here are some shots I took with the 90mm f4 a while back.
http://forum.mflenses.com/schneider-tele-arton-90mm-f4-samples-t77671.html |
I'll check out your shots.
Nice idea with the dkl/m42 adaptor. I'll give it a try, as I have m42 helicoid already, somehow didn't see dkl/m42 adaptors back when I was first doing this - my dkl is straight to A7II, your idea is one step better than the macro tube. |
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