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sinner79
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 Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: Best 3d effect lenses...suggestion? |
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sinner79 wrote:
Which are best 3d effect lenses? Any suggestions?
Thank a lot!
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Carl Zeiss T*
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sinner79
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sinner79 wrote:
Sorry...what's the meaning of Carl Zeiss T*?
Which lenses and focals in particular?
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Carl Zeiss Contax lenses, all of them have an element of 3D for me!
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Rolf wrote:
To say something different before this thread mutated to a Zeiss hype
Leica Vario-Elmar-R 3.5/35-70mm
Leica Elmarit-R 4/180mm
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Nikkor 1.8/105mm
Nikkor 4.5/300mm IFED
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Excalibur
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Excalibur wrote:
Well there was a debate about "what is the 3D effect " and IMHO most people accept "what pops out of the picture" if in depth it's more of a wow. Amongst the less expensive lenses, I've found my nikkor 50mm f1.8 AIs is very good at times for 3D effect in depth.
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torbod
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torbod wrote:
Also a cheaper alternative to CZ T* is the S-M-C Takumar 50 1.4 that is very good at this, I usually use f/4 for best 3D rendering.
An even cheaper alternative is the Helsios 44-3 MC that also has some 3D quality stepped down.
Two other lenses that I sometimes get 3D shots with are Leitz Elmarit-R 60 2.8 and CZJ Flektogon 35 2.4 MC
All of the above can give "real" Zeiss T* 3D pop, and not only shallow DOF.
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Lloydy wrote:
I find that my Pentacon 50 f1.8 surprises me sometimes, especially when there's bold colours involved. Then I can see a very nice 3D effect.
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I would like to suggest to become a better photographer first, and learn how a 3D-like picture can be done with what you already have. Just take the time to learn your lenses.
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| I would like to suggest to become a better photographer first, and learn how a 3D-like picture can be done with what you already have. Just take the time to learn your lenses. |
+1
I must say the expression 3D as a praising description for a lens seems pretty awkward to me. Meaning nothing.
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Spotmatic wrote:
+1. It's like asking: "I want my food to taste like Paul Bocuse's. Please suggest me the right pots, pans and spoons so that I can become him".
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ersatz
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ersatz wrote:
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| I would like to suggest to become a better photographer first, and learn how a 3D-like picture can be done with what you already have. Just take the time to learn your lenses. |
+1
I must say the expression 3D as a praising description for a lens seems pretty awkward to me. Meaning nothing. |
Meh. People can say the same about the "dreamy bokeh" or about the micro-contrast or tonal gradation of the lens. It's a tool and you have to wield it properly to accentuate it's characteristics and make a good picture. Exceptional bokeh, sharpness, contrast, 3d are meaningless if the picture is poorly composed. |
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semso wrote:
ersatz wrote:
""Exceptional bokeh, sharpness, contrast, 3d are meaningless if the picture is poorly composed.""
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noddywithoutbigears wrote:
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ersatz wrote:
""Exceptional bokeh, sharpness, contrast, 3d are meaningless if the picture is poorly composed.""
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My sentiments also, the best equipment will not turn you into the best photographer until you learn how to use their unique characteristics. |
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Cistron
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Cistron wrote:
I always thought most of the "3D effect" of a photograph is based on its composition. Namely, objects fading in and out of the plane of focus around the main subject of interest.
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
| ersatz wrote: |
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| I would like to suggest to become a better photographer first, and learn how a 3D-like picture can be done with what you already have. Just take the time to learn your lenses. |
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I must say the expression 3D as a praising description for a lens seems pretty awkward to me. Meaning nothing. |
Meh. People can say the same about the "dreamy bokeh" or about the micro-contrast or tonal gradation of the lens. It's a tool and you have to wield it properly to accentuate it's characteristics and make a good picture. Exceptional bokeh, sharpness, contrast, 3d are meaningless if the picture is poorly composed. |
erm well we all can't be top photographers so if a person wants 3d effect even on crap shots, and has the money to buy decent lenses..that's his hobby and no one else's business. So whether sinner79 is a pro, amateur or newbie, members should give him answers to what lenses are more likely to give 3d.
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sinner79
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:03 am Post subject: |
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sinner79 wrote:
Great answer! I'm asking about 3d effect lens, not about photographic technique:-P
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poilu
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:26 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
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| Great answer! I'm asking about 3d effect lens |
what is 3d effect, sinner79?
please explain what you know about it
have you seen some pics with 3D effect, can you show them to us
do you own a 3D TV?
personally I have a 60" 3D TV so I can speak about 3D 
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sinner79
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sinner79 wrote:
Short DOF, great bokeh, subject that comes from background like a "3d effect"
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AhamB wrote:
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| I would like to suggest to become a better photographer first, and learn how a 3D-like picture can be done with what you already have. Just take the time to learn your lenses. |
Exceptional bokeh, sharpness, contrast, 3d are meaningless if the picture is poorly composed. |
I don't see why a poorly composed picture can't have a 3D effect...
What sinner79 is saying above doesn't have much to do with 3D IMO though. That's just subject isolation, which can make the subject look flat, but separated from the background. |
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Pancolart wrote:
There are principles defining lens speed and focal length correlation and resulting background blur. There is no need to add new meaning to 3D notion which is already becoming valueless (empty) due to commercialization of 3D TV and cinema.
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Pancolart wrote:
Right after i wrote above i remembered ZOOM lenses that have separate macro (close focus) ring which works independently from focusing and zoom. With them sometimes one can achieve nice background blur even at F3.5 or more. Maybe such zooms deserve separate thread.
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Esox lucius wrote:
edit: screwed up the original post by editing wrong message 
I wrote that I think 3D is more "dimensionality", a capability to produce "touchable" and "natural" look in images. I don't find shallow depth of field to equal 3D, especially not if bokeh is swirly.
I also recommended Distagon 21/2.8 for dimensionality even at f/8 and almost infinite depth of field, as well as Nikkor 35/1.4G AF-S, Planar 85/1.4 ZF and Nikkor 50/1.4 Ai-S for fingerprint that gives very dimensional/3D look in images.
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