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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: 83mm Takumar on FF |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Not entirely noisefree (ISO 1000 indoors on the 5D), but it's great to use this 55 year old lens on the format it was intended for! I still think it's a better lens than all later 85mm Takumars.
_________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: 83mm Takumar on FF |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
Not entirely noisefree (ISO 1000 indoors on the 5D), but it's great to use this lens on the format it was intended for!
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That's the point!
Very nice shots of a pretty young lady! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
Hi Peter. .
It's a different point of view, isn't?
Great pictures as always and LightRoom really helps with reducing noise..
but it's not necessary anyway ..
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semso
Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 152
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:13 am Post subject: |
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semso wrote:
Nice photos.
But with almost any cheap short-tele lens You'll got the same results.
semso |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
semso wrote: |
Nice photos.
But with almost any cheap short-tele lens You'll got the same results. |
Now that I see them on my work monitor the noise is less than desirable. Maybe I will use my new 5D as a low-ISO monster
BTW, I find that the 83mm f/1.9 Takumar, wide open, outclasses many longer tele lenses with regards to sharpness, most especially the cheap ones. _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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semso
Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 152
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:55 am Post subject: |
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semso wrote:
OK,
If You are "Portret lens lower" You must to know that
SHARPNESS really doesn't matter,
if You will sharpness try SMC or Super Takumar 135mm 3.5
83mm Takumar is rare (only few examles are known to exist)
and has only collectable value
semso (my best lens is my HEAD)
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
The 83mm Takumar has only value as a collectible lens? I hope you really wanted to write something else because nothing could be further from the truth.
And of course, even I know that sharpness isn't everything. But it all depends on your subject; young people with spotless skins can withstand sharp lenses. But also very old, weathered faces can give interesting results with strong lighting. In all other cases, if I want a less sharp result I have plenty of other lenses to choose from (the softest being the Komura 80mm f/1.8 which, wide open, is very dreamy).
Having said that: the more I look at my portraits in this topic the more I dislike the noise _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:39 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
Nice shot.
Noise, where is the noise? Are you referring to the hand in photo #1? Other than that, the noise isn't bad at all. _________________
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Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
my_photography wrote: |
Nice shot.
Noise, where is the noise? Are you referring to the hand in photo #1? Other than that, the noise isn't bad at all. |
Thanks!
But believe me: as a Pentax K-5 user (APS-C) I get used to virtually noisefree ISO 1600-3200 shots _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Don't forget that the 5D is a 6 years old technology. A lifetime in digital camera development terms.
The difference in high ISO noise performance is evident also in comparison with the 5D Mark II which has nearly double the density of pixels and is a 3 years old technology itself.
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Indeed, I should lower my expectations a bit. But I'm sure that the low-ISO performance of the 5D will be great. Any lenses I *should* use on the 5D, no matter what? _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
Indeed, I should lower my expectations a bit. But I'm sure that the low-ISO performance of the 5D will be great. Any lenses I *should* use on the 5D, no matter what? |
Trying all your lenses will be the great fun. I remember when I switched from the 400D to the 5D, I spent a couple of months only trying the lenses that I already had in the full format. Probably the most exciting time I ever had with digital cameras Also a great remedy to stop buying further lenses from ebay _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Spotmatic wrote: |
Indeed, I should lower my expectations a bit. But I'm sure that the low-ISO performance of the 5D will be great. Any lenses I *should* use on the 5D, no matter what? |
Trying all your lenses will be the great fun. I remember when I switched from the 400D to the 5D, I spent a couple of months only trying the lenses that I already had in the full format. Probably the most exciting time I ever had with digital cameras Also a great remedy to stop buying further lenses from ebay |
Funny, that's exactly how I'm feeling now. I don't need more lenses, but I need to try them all on FF! _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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pich900
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1745 Location: The Netherlands/Zwolle
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:35 am Post subject: |
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pich900 wrote:
Great portrait Peter! and great lens ... _________________ All my lenses are for sale, nikkor, Angenieux, Zeiss etc.....
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Pascal
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16661 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Well done Peter, as always! A great lens indeed.
That noise is an issue, but the only way to vercome
that would indeed be a more modern DSLR, as the
recent gains in noise suppression has been huge! _________________ Klaus - Admin
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CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
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NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
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semso
Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 152
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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semso wrote:
Spotmatic wrote:
"The 83mm Takumar has only value as a collectible lens? I hope you really wanted to write something else because nothing could be further from the truth."
I actually didn't mind only colectable,
But all $$$ above the price for:
Trioplan
CZ Sonnar
Tele-Xenar
Pentacon
Jupiter 9
SMC Takumar 135
Canon 100
Zuiko 100
Primotar
Triotar
and so on
is collectable price,
Well, all above ~25 euros is paid for rarity,
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poilu
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
superb portrait!
Sony sensors have hardware noise reducer that cannot be disabled
Canon sensors don't use those tricks
you can use software noise reducer for same or better results _________________ T* |
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tobbsman
Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 2578 Location: Austria
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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tobbsman wrote:
Very cute portraits !
Light is a bit better in #2 but both are very joyful to watch.
... and who gives a damn about that little grain
Cheers
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