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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
10cm? That's a BIG front element! |
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
I had to check my eyes are a little under 6cm apart. _________________ Gary
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Yes, front element.
10cm isn't so big on a large format. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
I'm not sure if I posted this shot in this thread before but I think it's a good example of 'pop'.
I was looking for a new cover photo for my Google+ account and this Gyr Falcon stood out, literally.
Taken with a Zeiss 135/3.5
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_________________ Gary
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Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16664 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Amazing Gary! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
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CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
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NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:28 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I've been reading about 3D effect. It is greater the larger the format, you can find many examples of 19th century photos that have massive pop. The reason is microcontrast.
Another factor is the size of the input pupil of the lens, a lens with a pupil of 10cm or greater will have a lot of pop because the distance between the human eyes is less than 10cm and the lens can 'see' round either side of an object to an extent human vision can't. |
Old lens with 10cm entrance pupil? That must be a really really fast lens
I don't think that size of the entrance pupil has much to do with microcontrast
The lenses with the highest microncontrast I had all had comparable pretty small entrance pupils
Biogon 28/2.8 T* Contax G for example (very good 3D-pop)
While the one of the lowest microcontrast lenses I had offered a full 12cm entrance pupil lens. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:06 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The size of the entrance pupil and microcontrast are two separate issues. The reason why a large entrance pupil gives a 3D effect is because it's wider than the distance between the human eyes so in comparison to our vision it can 'see' around the sides of objects.
Even the best 35mm and digital shots with the best T* lenses can't compete with 100 year old large format images for 3D pop, that is only partly due to microcontrast.
Look at some old 8x10 plates, there is where you will find the most incredible 3D pop.
This is a poor example, but you can still see the effect, look at the two boys standing up, how they have a dimensionality:
Or look at the great feeling of depth in this shot:
This one has great depth and dimension too:
I can't find the example I was hoping to show, of a policeman and motorcyle in washington in the 1920s, it had jaw dropping pop. Here's a couple that have the same effect but less pronounced:
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:10 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I found it, check this out for 'pop':
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:17 am Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
Is it me? I can't see any of your images there Ian. _________________ Gary
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Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:22 am Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Amazing Gary! |
Thanks. _________________ Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
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Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Not sure what's going on with the images, here's the last one of the policeman again, I uploaded it from my computer this time instead of linking from shorpy.com:
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
That's better, he really does pop there. _________________ Gary
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Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Large format is where the real pop is to be found, that picture is 1923 so an uncoated lens. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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metallaro1980
Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Posts: 385 Location: West Emilia - Fidenza (PR) 43036 - Italy
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
3d? _________________
Olympus OM: 28 2.8, 35 2.8, 50 1.8 Made in Japan
Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
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metallaro1980
Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Posts: 385 Location: West Emilia - Fidenza (PR) 43036 - Italy
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Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 10:10 am Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
the first with Canon 100mm f/2
Canon 100mm f/2
it is very difficult to take 3d shots with Canon lens! _________________
Olympus OM: 28 2.8, 35 2.8, 50 1.8 Made in Japan
Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
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Pancolart
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Konica 1.2/57mm and NEX-C3. Brina is the girl. With permission of mom Mateja. No editing but resize:
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Yann E.
Joined: 19 Jan 2013 Posts: 12 Location: The sunny Gascony, France
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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yann E. wrote:
It may just be me, but I find a lot of pop to this one.
Taken with Contax-Zeiss S-Planar 4/100 on Sony Alpha 850
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4745 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:23 am Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
First time I've seen this thread, so I'm commenting on the photos on the first page. I see photos that use shallow depth of field to isolate the subject. On the first photo I see a box advertising something annoyingly in the foreground of what would be a pleasant street scene.
Not 3d by any means. A flat plane in focus doesnt make 3d. The apearance of solidity and roundness of the subject makes 3d. Not its separation from the background.
Poilu said "maybe its just in my head"
I think its all in the head. But not mine. _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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RSalles
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:55 am Post subject: |
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RSalles wrote:
Pancolart wrote: |
Konica 1.2/57mm and NEX-C3. Brina is the girl. With permission of mom Mateja. No editing but resize:
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3D or not, what a lovely portrait!
Cheers,
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Pancolart
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Thank you Renato. I have many photos from this autumn series with Konica 1.2/57mm but i find it hard to separate not good from good ones.
Once done i'll publish in its own topic. At least with this photo i was sure (in my head ) it's 3D . _________________ ---------------------------------
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