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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
mrQQ wrote:
Are you sure about the names? I've done a quick check on ebay, and nothing came up with those parameters..


Komine is the manufacturer, the products name are

Soligor 90mm f:2.5
Vivitar 90mm f:2.8
http://shop.ebay.com/items/__vivitar-90mm-2-8?_nkw=vivitar%2090mm%202.8&LH_IncludeSIF=1&_dmpt=Camera_Lenses&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m283

ps : the ~150$ price is too high !

Panagor 90mm f:3.0

This is the same lens with an actual aperture of 3.5 !


PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
hmm, there's only one M42 with asking price of.. 420$ Shocked

there is Nikon mount one, but its still 3 days and its already at 84$: Click here to see on Ebay

now that I think about it.. any m42 or nikon mount 1:1 would do, including old nikkors (but I think those will be expensive)


PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mrQQ wrote:
now that I think about it.. any m42 or nikon mount 1:1 would do, including old nikkors (but I think those will be expensive)


The nikkor is 1:2

If you forget the 1:1 ratio, the choice is much wider

Sigma 90mm 2.8
http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=sigma+90mm+macro+-af+-%2228-80mm%22&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_dmpt=Camera_Lenses&_odkw=sigma+90mm+macro+-af&_osacat=0
Tamron 90mm 2.5
http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=tamron+90mm+macro+-af+-%2228-80mm%22+-di&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_dmpt=Camera_Lenses&_odkw=tamron+90mm+macro+-af+-%2228-80mm%22&_osacat=0

If you forget the 90mm the choice is wider

Fujica 55mm macro
Sigma 55mm macro
Komine made 55mm macro (soligor , vivitar , panagor , elicar ..)
Pls find on ebay (the url is very long)

http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=elicar+90mm&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_dmpt=Camera_Lenses&_odkw=(vivitar+%2C+soligor+%2C+sigma+%2C+panagor+%2C+fuji+%2C+fujica+%2C+pentax+%2C+nikon+%2C+nikkor+%2C+elicar+)+macro+%2C+55mm+-filter+-cap+-canon+-finepix+-k10d+-k20d+-*ist+-%22close-up%22+-d200+-d40+-d40x+-%22fisheye%22+-52mm+-reverse+-ex+-dg&_osacat=0

ps : for the 90mm macro 1:1 komine made, i forgot the "elicar" trade mark


PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Speereo wrote:

- Tamron Adaptol 90mm f2.5/2.8

I wonder if they are 1:1?

What are "OK" prices for them on the second hand market?
I'd like sub $200 options, but i can spend more if the price difference is justified.

P.S. I do want macro lens without extension tubes and/or teleconverters.


The earlier Tamron (52B) SP90/2.5 is 2:1 natively and there is an extension tube optionally available that makes it 1:1 , but that would rule it out of your specs.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Speereo wrote:

A. i lose several F stops with tubes.


There is no special magic in a macro lens, it is just like using tubes, only the tube is built-in. At 1:1 a macro lens will lose 2 stops at 1:1 relative to infinity focus, and at 1:2 the loss is 1.125 stops - my 4/180 APO-Lanthar seems to lose even slightly more at 1:2, perhaps due to the optical design which makes the very short physical length possible.

Veijo

Edit: instead of 1.125 stops, the loss at 1:2 is 1.17 stops - 1.125 was a quick, mental calculation. However, the difference hardly matters.

Last edited by vilva on Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:35 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I say look for a macro-takumar and use extension tubes if you want 1:1. the macro-takumars are all tack sharp and come in both f4 50 & 100mm. if you chance upon an original preset 50mm it will do 1:1 (excellent lens, I own one) but as stated already, if you are looking for m42, the extension tubes go for peanuts.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm looking for 1:1 as to use it with extension tubes to have even higher magnification ration, and i'm looking for >80 as to not have same distance to work at..


PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
your choices are very limited for native 1:1, regardless of focal length. its easier to do 1:1 with a shorter focal length. why greater than 80mm? the crop factor cuts 50 down quite a bit, wouldn't 80+ be rather tight for macro work? I find my 50mm rather difficult to work with on a 1.5x body.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, to be fair, I don't have much experience with a true macro lense. I know that my 50ish Sigma, which is pseudo macro, does 1:3 (only) at 20cm focusing distance! That is very close to the subject.. What's the focusing distance for a true 1:1 macro lens?


PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's strange. 50mm lenses do 2:1 magnification at 24cm and 1:1 at about 21cm.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
(1:1) Macro-Takumar closest focus 20.8cm

(1:2) Super- and S-M-C Macro-Takumar 50/4 closest focus 23.4mm

(1:2) S-M-C Macro-Takumar 100/4 closest focus 45mm

(1:2) Tamron SP 90/2.5 52B(&52BB) closest focus 39mm


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Good explanation, thanks Smile And the Sigma isn't simple, it's 18-50 zoom, so I bet math is somewhat different there aswell. It's internal focusing too..

In any case, 50 still seems very close work for me. But I'm starting to see that even with m42 theres no cheap escape for macro play Smile


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gus Helios wrote:
I have a M42 Vivitar Series 1 90mm with macro TC, that is a beautiful lens / TC combo. I have not seen a lot of them but if you come across one while searching, I highly recommend it.


It's Komine made. A superb lens. I've done all my macros with it, but also some nice portraits and flower shots. Smile


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: 90/2.5 with 1:1 macro Reply with quote
I have a 90/2.5 with 1:1 macro in P/K mount for sale in the marketplace section; here's the link:

http://forum.mflenses.com/90mm-f2-5-11-macro-rokunar-elicar-panagor-in-p-k-mount-t18187.html

It's been a while since I saw a real macro lens in good shape on eBay for $100; these days, $200-400 seems to be the normal price. I imagine that more people are discovering that these lenses are extremely useful on DSLRs.

I agree that extension tubes are a nuisance and can dim a lens substantially; I avoid them unless trying to get extreme macro. After trying every macro option from add-on achromatic/two-element lenses to AF macro lenses, I still prefer a nice smooth MF macro lens.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Speereo wrote:
Absolutely lovely discussion. Thank you all guys! :^)
Now I have the list of proper macro lenses.
Talking about the rarity of the glass - it's not an issue, now with the BIG picture I can stalk my second hand shops. I live in Russia, St. Petersburg
...
Oh, talking about tubes and lens turn. I dont want to lose A. Light, B. Control


You lose exactly as much light with extension tubes (hollow things, no glass inside) as you do with old macro lenses. See, old macro lenses don't have any floating elements inside; they do macro by simply extending the lens - moving the entire block of lenses away from the sensor. That's exactly what you achieve with macro tubes.

Now, if you were getting a modern macro lens with floating elements to compensate for close-range focusing, that would be a different story.

Anyways, my recommendation would be either Volna-9 (1:2, does 1:1 with an extender) or Industar-61 L/Z (a bit less magnification but still a capable macro lens with extension tubes). The first combo will be under $80, the second one goes for peanuts.

If you are after some really nice rendering, consider the 90mm Tokina ('bokina' as it's sometimes called) or its Vivitar counterpart (Vivitar lenses with serial numbers starting with 37 are made by Tokina). They go for around $150-175, but still only do 1:2.

[Off-topic: Modern AF Tokina 100/2.8 is one of the best, and costs around $300 used. I have one, it's really good Smile ]


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: 90/2.5 with 1:1 macro Reply with quote
robertro wrote:
It's been a while since I saw a real macro lens in good shape on eBay for $100; these days, $200-400 seems to be the normal price.


Why $400 for a used MF Tokina when a modern AF version of said Tokina can be had for around $300? I mean, the AF version is better in every respect; even manual focusing in it feels really, really good. Automatic aperture control comes extremely handy when shooting macro, too.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: 90/2.5 with 1:1 macro Reply with quote
aoleg wrote:
robertro wrote:
It's been a while since I saw a real macro lens in good shape on eBay for $100; these days, $200-400 seems to be the normal price.


Why $400 for a used MF Tokina when a modern AF version of said Tokina can be had for around $300? I mean, the AF version is better in every respect; even manual focusing in it feels really, really good. Automatic aperture control comes extremely handy when shooting macro, too.


I wasn't satisfied with any AF lenses from same price range than MF lenses. Perhaps this is not true in this case, but generally you can get lot less quality AF lens for same price.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 90/2.5 with 1:1 macro Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
I wasn't satisfied with any AF lenses from same price range than MF lenses. Perhaps this is not true in this case, but generally you can get lot less quality AF lens for same price.


I absolutely agree with you! Sonnars, Planars and Russian lenses are reliable bargains and quality alternatives compared to modern glass. The Tokina and Tamron macro is probably one of the exceptions; it really is an inexpensive alternative to brand-name glass, is better than MF versions and is not much more expensive on the used market (and even new).


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: 90/2.5 with 1:1 macro Reply with quote
aoleg wrote:
Attila wrote:
I wasn't satisfied with any AF lenses from same price range than MF lenses. Perhaps this is not true in this case, but generally you can get lot less quality AF lens for same price.


I absolutely agree with you! Sonnars, Planars and Russian lenses are reliable bargains and quality alternatives compared to modern glass. The Tokina and Tamron macro is probably one of the exceptions; it really is an inexpensive alternative to brand-name glass, is better than MF versions and is not much more expensive on the used market (and even new).


I think you have right in this case absolutely. I have another reason why I prefer MF above AF. MF lenses are interchangeable between camera systems in most cases. Camera bodies getting cheaper and cheaper on used market easy to buy two three different camera bodies and MF lenses with right adapters are perfectly usable and they will usable 20 yrs later too for my kids or me. AF lenses are usable only on own camera systems some nasty maker didn't make aperture ring for example so you can't use on others systems. AF lenses are invest only for today MF lenses has brighter future from every aspects. Carl Zeiss has same idea when they did issue new ZF line.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
just wondering did any one know about this lense
NOVOFLEX MACRO NOFLEXAR 60/4 M42 LENS


PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
anori wrote:
just wondering did any one know about this lense
NOVOFLEX MACRO NOFLEXAR 60/4 M42 LENS


The former novoflex lens was very good quality (i do not know it the one actually sold is the same) but has to be used on bellow (short mount lens)

It was an interchangeable mount lens (novoflex standard)


PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hi!

i'm looking for cheap m42 macro lenses... i already buy Macro Extension Tube

with tube, any 1:2 will make 1:1?


PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
labfreak wrote:
hi!

i'm looking for cheap m42 macro lenses... i already buy Macro Extension Tube

with tube, any 1:2 will make 1:1?


Depends on the length of the tube. The cheapest good "macro" would be Industar 61L/Z. With the tubes, it'll focus down to 1:1, and will provide good image quality at close focusing distances.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i'm waiting for this tubes > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250454346255#ht_1992wt_939

i have helios 44-2 58mm f/2 and super takumar 50mm f/1.4... what do you think?
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