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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, it is the typical collectioner's lens.
Just see me, I was intentioned not to buy any lens until the fair of the 13th, but when I saw it, I had to take it, because you don't know when the next one might show up. The black version seems even rarer than the aluminium one.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was just searching for a good 2,8/180 lens in M42 mount at a reasonable price. I don't have any 180 lens. I will look for a Zeiss, that are more common.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Juanma wrote:
I was just searching for a good 2,8/180 lens in M42 mount at a reasonable price. I don't have any 180 lens. I will look for a Zeiss, that are more common.


You definitely should look for a Carl Zeiss Jena 2.8/180
They are much more commonly found, and also they are better quality lenses.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Juanma wrote:
I was just searching for a good 2,8/180 lens in M42 mount at a reasonable price. I don't have any 180 lens. I will look for a Zeiss, that are more common.


You definitely should look for a Carl Zeiss Jena 2.8/180
They are much more commonly found, and also they are better quality lenses.


Is it very different from your Contax Zeiss 2.8/180?
I loved your Carnival pictures with that lens. Very Happy


PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Juanma wrote:

Is it very different from your Contax Zeiss 2.8/180?
I loved your Carnival pictures with that lens. Very Happy


thanks Smile
The Contax lens is a renewed design. The original Olympia scheme was perfectioned, but most importantly, a new floating element was added, to optimize performance (reduce aberrations) automatically as the focus distance is changed. This in particular improves the closeup focusing.
Download the Zeiss PDF of the Contax 180 MM version here:
http://www.zeiss.com/C12567A8003B8B6F/EmbedTitelIntern/Sonnar2.8_180mm_101117_e/$File/Sonnar2.8_180mm_101117_e.pdf

How much of these improvements are really visible in real life photography?
Not much I think. I guess that in 90% of the cases you would not see an appreciable difference.
For me, the main advantages of the Contax lens over the Jena one are the size and weight. The Contax is about half the volume and less than half the weight of the Jena lens. This means that the Contax lens is easily portable, while the Jena lens is not.
Another advantage is that with the Contax multicoating, to have a flare is very difficult. With the Jena lens is easier and a lens hood is required, which means further volume. The COntax lens also has a hood that is built-in.
Whether these improvements are worth the significant difference in price, it is up to you to decide. The Contax lens varies much in price from seller to seller. Attila was able to get one that costed about the same, or only little more, as a MC Jena one. My copy costed a bit more. Other copies that I have seen sold over the Ebay costed a lot more, sometimes even twice the cost of a Jena lens.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Jupiter-6-2 has arrived today:




PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wow!Wow! designed for EOS , so perfect ! Congrats!


PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It look gorgeous - great piece of glass! I'll be waiting for some nice photos, Orio Cool


PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, this sort of post is just the thing to start the GAS again.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
wow the 400D look tiny with this Jup, congrats it look like new


PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Whats the filter size on that ?


PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It looks like a 77 diameter

I tried a couple of shots handheld....man, it's heavy. Not easy to hold it still.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
One advantage of a very heavy lens is that you can shoot with slow times.
This is a test shot I made from my living room into my kitchen.
Shot hand held with a shutter speed of 1/40
aperture around f/4 or f/5.6 ISO 800

whole resized:

crop:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interesting point on the heavy lens.

What camera, and was there shake reduction ?

That is very impressive stability for hand held on a 180mm with or withour shake reduction though.

Maybe I should take a barbell-weight and attach it to the camera, for indoor portraits.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
luisalegria wrote:
Interesting point on the heavy lens.
What camera, and was there shake reduction ?
That is very impressive stability for hand held on a 180mm with or withour shake reduction though.
Maybe I should take a barbell-weight and attach it to the camera, for indoor portraits.


The camera was a 5D
Shutter time was 1/40 in the first shot and 1/125 (flash synchro) in the second shot
and no image stabilizer - the Jupiter-6-2 weights a ton and is a stabilizer of itself Wink
Laughing


PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
What's that big lens sitting on the shelf to the right (1st shot)?

Cheers, klaus


PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
What's that big lens sitting on the shelf to the right (1st shot)?


Carl Zeiss Jena MC Sonnar 2.8/180 Very Happy


PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
From some early test shots the lens appears to be somehow soft and a bit flaring wide open, acceptably sharp by f/5.6 or more.

I can not compare with the Jupiter-6 (aluminium) because it's still out for servicing.

Compared to the CZJ Sonnar 180 I would say that the Jena Sonnar is a better lens, a bit sharper and much more contrasted.
However, the Jupiter-6 might appeal to people who like their photos to have an "older" feel.
To the same people, for instance, who prefer the aluminium Jupiter-9 to the MC Black one.
I think this Jupiter-6-2 would do great with black and white film photography.

Here's a shot I took at f/8, hand-held, clicking on thumbnail will make the full size image appear in another page, make sure that your browser does not resize it:



The focus is on the grated window lower left.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Compare wide open with f/8:

wide open:



f/8



PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
For resolution it is great from wide open Shocked


PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
@Orio,
Was that a P6 mount, or M42? Lovely bit of kit. Being rare, I don't suppose there's much chance of finding one cheap Sad


PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
For resolution it is great from wide open Shocked


Perhaps that photo was a bit deceving, in general I would say yes it's good, but also a bit soft (softer than Jena 180) and with some purple bleeding at high contrast edges:



THe overall result however is pleasing even if a little soft.

(sample shot above wide open, focus on the motorbyke).


PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Farside wrote:
@Orio,
Was that a P6 mount, or M42?


M42
I have read of a P6 version also, but I never saw one.

Farside wrote:
Lovely bit of kit. Being rare, I don't suppose there's much chance of finding one cheap Sad


Both the Jupiter-6 and the Jupiter-6-2 are very rare. I am lucky to have found a copy of both. I'll try to complete with a P6 copy if it exists.
The price is not so huge - I think because with more or less the same money, or max. 50-80 Euros more, you can buy a Jena MC Sonnar 180 which is a better lens.

I would advice the J-6 only to collectors or Soviet fanatics, to all other photographers I would recommend the Jena MC Sonnar 180 (or, if you can afford, the Zeiss Contax 180, or the Nikkor 180).


PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Perhaps that photo was a bit deceving

No, I was meaning it is impressive for wide open
The motorbike shot also look quite good
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