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35mm Camera that can use unperforated film?
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:38 pm    Post subject: 35mm Camera that can use unperforated film? Reply with quote
I happen to have a quantity of unperforated 35mm film. I can respool it into 120 papers and shoot it in a MF camera, but that is not ideal. I'd like to shoot it in a 35mm camera but I don't know if this is possible due to the lack or perforations.

So does anyone know of any cameras that I could shoot this film in?


PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't know if possible, but the only way I can think of, is to cut the film narrower, so that it lays within the two rows of indentations, and not above them.


PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Don't know if possible, but the only way I can think of, is to cut the film narrower, so that it lays within the two rows of indentations, and not above them.


Sounds plausible to me. Ian, make sure you use good strong lighting so the cuts are even. Wink Smile Laughing


PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just buy an old 828 camera.


PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Are there no film perforation cutting accessories?


PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
In theory you could take a Kiev, take the shutter module off and remove the film advance sprocket in a reversible way. Then jam the taking spool with some removable glue spot or something and let it do the film advancement.

Kiev because it is the easiest rangefinder to disasseble and re-assemble.

(Jamming must be done because the spool is not fixed. Getting the film out is trickier because the reverse spooling is based on the fact that the spool is not fixed so film had to be spooled out in a darkroom.)

If you want to sacrifice a cheap camera just grind away the sprocket teeth. Smile

A good candidate would be Agfa Silette LK because the film advancment system almost never works on these cameras and they are cheap and otherwise nice. I could send you one right away if it didn't cost arm and a leg to post it there.

The 1970 model to be exact.
http://www.thecamerasite.net/07_Viewfinder_Cameras/Pages/agfa-silette.htm

edit: hm .. they used to be dirt cheap
Optimas are still cheap
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-RETRO-AGFA-OPTIMA-200-CAMERA-ORIGINAL-BLACK-CASE-/290708888262?pt=UK_Film_Cameras&hash=item43af999ac6


PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Some time ago there was a discussion about film without perforation in a German forum. I think the film was some kind of Agfa brand. As I recall correctly one was using it with a Leica M6 and another one used a Nikon F3. The only problem problem was that the spacing between the frames was bigger than normal.

Personally I wouldn't load one of my 35mm cameras with unperforated film. There might occur some jamming. A way to go might be a camera for 127mm film. you can get the spools separatelty (at least here in Germany). I hade a Leidox camera for film 127 which is cheap an quite ok. There was also a baby Rolleiflex and a Yashica TLR.


PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is Agfa Copex HDP13, a microfilm.

I had thought about 127 but it's 4cm wide and this Agfa film is 3cm. Baby Rollei, Yashica 44, Baby Ikonta, all are not cheap, sadly.


PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
This is Agfa Copex HDP13, a microfilm.

I had thought about 127 but it's 4cm wide and this Agfa film is 3cm. Baby Rollei, Yashica 44, Baby Ikonta, all are not cheap, sadly.


Sadly Rollei never was cheap but the Yashica shouldn't be to expensive. I think they go for something like 50-80EUR. I thought of 127 cameras since they are smaller than med-format ones. Wasn't there a kit to fit smaller films into a standard Rolleicord.

Do you know if the Agfa Copex HDP13 is the same film than the Agfa Copex Rapid? I have seen some bw-slides of the Copex rapid developed in the Scala process.


PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I haven't been able to find out if it is the same as Copex Rapid. It's very tricky film to work with, needs to be exposed at 25 ISO and the slightest mark on the film from fingers or water drying marks shows up horribly. Contrast is extreme so people tend to develop it in Rodinal 1:100 stand for 60mins or use a specialist developer.


PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I haven't been able to find out if it is the same as Copex Rapid. It's very tricky film to work with, needs to be exposed at 25 ISO and the slightest mark on the film from fingers or water drying marks shows up horribly. Contrast is extreme so people tend to develop it in Rodinal 1:100 stand for 60mins or use a specialist developer.


According to the leaflet of my film developer who does thee scala process the Copex Rapid should be exposed at ISO 50. So it might be a slightly different film. I haven't tested the Copex Rapid yet but will get some with my next order. I will see if it needs the same care than yours with handling.


PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
People do shoot this at ISO 50 but I found that gave underexposure, I guess it depends on how bright the sunlight is, here it is rarely very bright.


PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://www.aphog.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17576
mentions that the Ricoh XR-X and the voigtländer Vito I can use unperforated film. In theory every camera that doesn't "count" sprocket holes (by pinwheel or by IR sensor) should work


PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vielen danke!

That is precisely what I needed to know. The Vito I with Skopar looks appealing, I will look for a cheap one.


PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I second the 828 camera. A Kodak Pony 828 can be had for about $15 U.S. and, though not great, will work fine. Kodak Bantam folding cameras also took 828. I think you would enjoy the pano-style results when used on a 120 camera, though.


PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
828 cameras are not very common in the UK, a nice Bantam would be okay but hard to find any Bantam here.

I have rolled some of this unperf 35mm into a 120 spool/paper, going to shoot in in one of my 6x6 cams to get a 3x6 neg. I already shot a roll in my Ikonta-M 6x6 and exposed it at ISO 50 then developed it in FX-39 as if it was Pan F 50 (1:9, 6mins, 20C). Result was very very thin negs, unscannable almost, so I think both underexposed and underdeveloped. Next roll I will expose at ISO 25 and develop for 12 mins.


PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Kodak Bantam Special was a cool looking camera:

http://www.cameraquest.com/superban.htm

Wonder if that Japanese conversion to 35mm is still on...


PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 35mm Camera that can use unperforated film? Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I happen to have a quantity of unperforated 35mm film. I can respool it into 120 papers and shoot it in a MF camera, but that is not ideal. I'd like to shoot it in a 35mm camera but I don't know if this is possible due to the lack or perforations.

So does anyone know of any cameras that I could shoot this film in?

You could just load it into 35mm cassettes and shoot it in an MF body, unload in a changing bag. One body I know this definitely works in is the P6, and I see no reason why plenty others won't.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
This is Agfa Copex HDP13, a microfilm.

I had thought about 127 but it's 4cm wide and this Agfa film is 3cm. Baby Rollei, Yashica 44, Baby Ikonta, all are not cheap, sadly.


Isn't copying film very contrasty. I seem to remember back in the day people used to use Kodak's version BECAUSE it was contrasty and extremely fine grain.

Why not cut a small length and put it in your camera, and give it a test. Develop it and you'll know whether its worth bothering.* I have done this with dental periapical films before now.

* Oh wind on and cock the shutter first!


PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ian , Ichecked this recently , because I found some unperf too and wanted to get it in bulk roll . Didn't do it yet , but I got some information .I learned about the Vito , but careful , it has to be the first generation , until 1950. But you can get for low money a EOS 10 or EOS 10s .They work with unperforated .
http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00aux3
Nikon F100 works too ,and maybe N90 http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00aux3
I understand that the Ricoh XR-X does take unperforated too. http://www.apug.org/forums/forum52/24371-unperforated-film-35mm-slr.html
Hope this helps (EOS 10 seems to me the best option : good and cheap easy to find )
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