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Occur
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 Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: Which lens? |
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Occur wrote:
Hello,
i'm newbie with old manual lenses and for few days i got an Revueon 50 mm, f 1,8 MC (an nice little thing) and an Exaktar 135 mm, f2.8 (ok, i must test this lens better). But to my question:
well, i know with M42 Adapter i can use some old lenses with my Canon 400D. But give it more ways (Adapters)? And which lens is good for macros? At time i use an AF Tamron 90 mm, but it has mechanical problems and eventually i buy here an new or old manuell lens. On my wishing-list is also an Pentacon 5.6/500 mm (ok, i know - not free hand  ). Or give it an better alternate? And at last: WW-lenses? Which lens could here be good? |
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bob955i
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bob955i wrote:
Hello and welcome Occur. 
There are lots of adapters to mount different lenses on the Canon EF mount - DVD Technik have a range:
Look for EOS adapters
http://www.dvdtechcameras.com/other/adapter/adapter1.htm
As do Rugift:
http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/adapters.htm
There are also sellers on Ebay too.
As for wide angle there are a few favourites on here like the CZJ Flektogons but this depends on how wide you need to go as basically it can start to get a bit expensive once you get to around the 20mm mark. Since you have a crop sensor camera, you need to head into what might be considered super wide - fisheye territory if you need to achieve a similar angle of view to something like a 20mm on full frame. The Zenitar 2.8/16 comes to mind here and a few members on here have it.
As I have a full frame DSLR my personal favourites are the Flektogon 4/20 - not the sharpest but unbeatable for architecture due to its excellent lack of distortion and the Flektogon 2.4/35 due to it's excellent sharpness and close focusing ability.
There are other alternatives though and I'm sure that someone will be along to advise you further. |
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LucisPictor
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LucisPictor wrote:
Hi and welcome Occur!
Enjoy your stay.
As far as your questions are concerned, perhaps try the "search" function.
For a start:
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=2406
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=1132
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=400
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=84
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=2565
And my lenses:
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65
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Attila wrote:
Welcome to see you here!
I had in the past a Pentacon 500mm f5.6 , simple to heavy 3.5 kg! Unusable in most situation.
I suggest to take instead mirror lenses like Tamron SP 500mm f8,MC 3M-5CA 500mm f8 etc.
If you don't like mirror lens DOF try Sigma 400mm f5.6 or Novoflex 400mm f5.6.
For macro cheap and superb solution Nikkor 55mm f3.5 Macro 1:1 you can see reviews and pictures taken with above lenses here in the forum and on mflenses.com/gallery.
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Occur
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Occur wrote:
Thank you all for welcome and all the tips. It help me a lot.
@Attila
Yeah, the Pentacon is very heavy and a mirror-lens... hmmm, i think i prefer than a Sigma 400 or Novoflex. From the Novoflex i have seen great photos. But from time to time rare to buy.
@bob
Great. So many adapters  - that's open new ways for lenses.
Here two shots with the Revueon 50 mm/f 1.8
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and a little test with the Exaktar 135 mm/f2.8
The Exaktar looks a bit weak. But 135 mm and for portraits can that be good. |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Very nice shoots! Sigma 400mm f5.6 APO good as Novoflex take a look on mflenses.com/gallery and more common!
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LucisPictor
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LucisPictor wrote:
Yep, nice shots! I'm sure once you have tasted manual lens blood, you're hooked. 
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
Welcome Occur - those are nice samples, but beware. There are tempters on this forum who will encourage you to try lenses you will find difficult to let go of.
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Laurence wrote:
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Welcome Occur - those are nice samples, but beware. There are tempters on this forum who will encourage you to try lenses you will find difficult to let go of.
patrickh |
Patrick, would one of those names start and end with the letter A ? |
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Orio wrote:
This revuenon seems to give gorgeous photographic results.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Revuenon like a "Kinder Egg" for kids , you never know sure the maker and sometimes you can get amazing result. I have two fantastic Revuenon lens, one 1.4/55mm made by Tomioka (not labeled on the lens) Another one from an unknow maker 2.8/135mm I trade with Carsten. I had one Revuenon zoom lens this was only the lens what I throw to trash. This zoom was incredible garbage I never seen in my life same crappy lens.
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Occur
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Occur wrote:
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| Sigma 400mm f5.6 APO good as Novoflex take a look on mflenses.com/gallery and more common! |
The Sigma is an great lens - i've got it for few days - but it was a horrible trip. The EOS Mount has an error - so when i take the lens on the camera body it was a action like bodybuilding  . The next part: the first shots wide open works good, but when i close to f8 or more... the cam says error 99. Well i like this error 99  . Return to wide open - not a chance. OK, the lens goes return - the best way .
Eventually i should give the Novoflex a chance or give it an old Sigma 400 mm which works on my digital EOS 300D/400D? |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
I tested two 400mm f5.6 Sigma on my Olympus E-1 I not tested any on Canon EOS.
1) lightweight grey lens with internal focusing labeled 400mm Sigma 5.6 APO was superb lens on my camera.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/sigma/sigma_400mm_f5_6/
2) Black Sigma 400 f5.6 labeled to "multi coated" didn't produced any sharp images + plus it was fungused I had to return also.
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Riku wrote:
Revuenon 50mm f1.8 MC is probably the same lens as Pentacon/Meyer-Optik 50mm F1.8. Does it focus to 0.33m and has a 49mm filter thread? |
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Occur
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Occur wrote:
Thanks Attila. I have seen the pictures in the gallery. Nice shots with the lens. Hm, i have read from problems with older Sigma lenses on digital Canon Cameras, but nothing specially over this lens. Eventually anybody knows more?
@Riku
Yes, 0,33 m and 49 mm filter. |
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Riku
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Riku wrote:
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@Riku
Yes, 0,33 m and 49 mm filter. |
Yep, I have the same lens, it's made by Pentacon.
http://m42.artlimited.net/lens_detail.php?lid=124 |
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Hm, i have read from problems with older Sigma lenses on digital Canon Cameras, but nothing specially over this lens. Eventually anybody knows more?
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Welcome Occur
Older Sigma lenses have to be chipped to work on newer Canon.
I had the same problem with my Apo 135-400, I send it to Sigma and now it work on my 400D
Bad news for your Apo 400, I read a forum thread from 2005 & they didn't have chip for your model anymore.
You can send a mail to Sigma Germany but I think you will get a negative answer.
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
Occur
welcome back
I believe that Sigma frequently has this problem since they are reverse engineering the electronics. I know there was a spate of issues when the Nikon D200 hit the streets and then with each of the next new bodies as well. Seems to strike Sigmas almost at random
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
I suggest to your a full MF lens why you need any chip ?
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