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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
I vote, at this time, for the pre-war uncoated Meyer Primoplan 1:1,9 f=7,5cm.
_________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I agree. Primoplan design is possibly not the sharpest one, but its characteristic bokeh is astonishing... _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Helios
Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 537 Location: East of France
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
I cannot give an exact hierarchy for my portrait lenses . I use often Helios-40-2, J-9, Smc-Takumar 1,8/85 , Meyer Orestegor 2,8/135 preset (zebra) , Angenieux 2,5/90, hacked Zeiss Triotar 6,3/135mm , Berthiot-Lacour 100 mm , Feinmess Bonotar (very soft) , Schneider Tele-Xenar . I use other 100-135mm time to time . May be my preferred are smc-takumar 1,8/85 , helios-40 , J-9 .
Helios-40-2 : (Dslr, f/4)
Berthiot-Lacour Eurygraphe 100mm f/6 : (Film, Spotmatic F , f/11)
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madamasu
Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 597 Location: Frankfurt/Main Germany
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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madamasu wrote:
Attila wrote:
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Pentacon 135mm f2.8 any variant is superb for portraits especially on Nikon , effective focal length will be lot shorter around 75-85mm. |
Excuse me, if I ask again, but with regard to the combination of 42mm lenses with Nikon bodies I'm still a freshman: Does this mean that with this lense and a 42mm-adapter on my D700 I can't focus to infinity, but will be able to shoot full portraits?
With my Jupiter 9 I can only shoot partial portraits. The lense is extraordinary, but I don't feel (and don't have the money) to buy another digital body like the Canon 5D.
Thanks
Thomas _________________ Zorki 4
Jupiter 8, 9, 11, 12 & triple finder
Nikon D200, D700
Nikkors: 15/3.5 AI; N.C 24mm/2.8 (AIed);
N 35mm/1.4 (AIed); 45mm/2.8P; 50mm/1.2 AIS; Micro 55mm/2.8 AIS; Noct 58mm/1.2 AIS;85mm/1.8 (K-lense AIed); 105mm/2.5 AIS; 135mm/3.5 (K-lense AIed)
Voigtlaender Ultron 40mm/2; CZJ Flektogon 20mm/4 (AIed); Helios-81M; MIR-20N; Volna-3; Flektogon 50/4;Flektogon 65/2.8; Biometar 80/2.8; Biometar 120/2.8; Sonnar 180/2.8; Sonnar 300/4
Kiron 70-210/4.5 Makro
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Yes, exactly Thomas, 135mm will be long enough for head and shoulders portraits. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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madamasu
Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 597 Location: Frankfurt/Main Germany
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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madamasu wrote:
Thanks, Attila.
How is the Tele Ennalyt 135mm f2.8? Is 40€ a good price, if it is in good shape and comes with the original box?
And how about a Jupiter 11 M39 for 40€? _________________ Zorki 4
Jupiter 8, 9, 11, 12 & triple finder
Nikon D200, D700
Nikkors: 15/3.5 AI; N.C 24mm/2.8 (AIed);
N 35mm/1.4 (AIed); 45mm/2.8P; 50mm/1.2 AIS; Micro 55mm/2.8 AIS; Noct 58mm/1.2 AIS;85mm/1.8 (K-lense AIed); 105mm/2.5 AIS; 135mm/3.5 (K-lense AIed)
Voigtlaender Ultron 40mm/2; CZJ Flektogon 20mm/4 (AIed); Helios-81M; MIR-20N; Volna-3; Flektogon 50/4;Flektogon 65/2.8; Biometar 80/2.8; Biometar 120/2.8; Sonnar 180/2.8; Sonnar 300/4
Kiron 70-210/4.5 Makro
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Jupiter-11 is one of the sharpest 135mm lenses with really nice bokeh. There are two M39 versions: For rangefinders (slim) - on DSLR you can use it only as close-up lens. And for SLR (fat), which can hit infinity if you have proper adapter. €40 is not bad price, but with a bit of luck you can find it cheaper. For this price you can find faster version of this lens - Jupiter 37A (135/3.5). This one can be find even in MC version, but it's very rare. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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madamasu
Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 597 Location: Frankfurt/Main Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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madamasu wrote:
Dear no-X, thanks for your detailed remarks.
Can anybody tell me something about the Enna-lense, 135mm f2.8?
I checked Attilas pictures in the mf-gallery, but I'd prefer some remarks about usage and IQ. 40€ OK for this lense?
Thanks
Thomas _________________ Zorki 4
Jupiter 8, 9, 11, 12 & triple finder
Nikon D200, D700
Nikkors: 15/3.5 AI; N.C 24mm/2.8 (AIed);
N 35mm/1.4 (AIed); 45mm/2.8P; 50mm/1.2 AIS; Micro 55mm/2.8 AIS; Noct 58mm/1.2 AIS;85mm/1.8 (K-lense AIed); 105mm/2.5 AIS; 135mm/3.5 (K-lense AIed)
Voigtlaender Ultron 40mm/2; CZJ Flektogon 20mm/4 (AIed); Helios-81M; MIR-20N; Volna-3; Flektogon 50/4;Flektogon 65/2.8; Biometar 80/2.8; Biometar 120/2.8; Sonnar 180/2.8; Sonnar 300/4
Kiron 70-210/4.5 Makro
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
madamasu wrote: |
Dear no-X, thanks for your detailed remarks.
Can anybody tell me something about the Enna-lense, 135mm f2.8?
I checked Attilas pictures in the mf-gallery, but I'd prefer some remarks about usage and IQ. 40€ OK for this lense?
Thanks
Thomas |
I have no experience with this lens, 40 EUR fine for any 135mm lens in my opinion. Take it, test it and share with us _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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mflex-on
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: Orestor 1.8/50 snapshots |
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mflex-on wrote:
Orestor 1.8/50 snapshots portraits
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madamasu
Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 597 Location: Frankfurt/Main Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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madamasu wrote:
Good idea, Attila. I guess I'll do this. Not that I really need it, with all the Nikon goodies I have got,but somehow it makes fun to be a little crazy, when your daily activities require you to be rational all the time.
Cheers
Thomas _________________ Zorki 4
Jupiter 8, 9, 11, 12 & triple finder
Nikon D200, D700
Nikkors: 15/3.5 AI; N.C 24mm/2.8 (AIed);
N 35mm/1.4 (AIed); 45mm/2.8P; 50mm/1.2 AIS; Micro 55mm/2.8 AIS; Noct 58mm/1.2 AIS;85mm/1.8 (K-lense AIed); 105mm/2.5 AIS; 135mm/3.5 (K-lense AIed)
Voigtlaender Ultron 40mm/2; CZJ Flektogon 20mm/4 (AIed); Helios-81M; MIR-20N; Volna-3; Flektogon 50/4;Flektogon 65/2.8; Biometar 80/2.8; Biometar 120/2.8; Sonnar 180/2.8; Sonnar 300/4
Kiron 70-210/4.5 Makro
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Orestor 1.8/50 snapshots |
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no-X wrote:
mflex-on wrote: |
Orestor 1.8/50 snapshots portraits |
Thanks for these nice photos! _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Yes , I bought many lenses also just for fun and share information! Many thanks! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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dekiller
Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 133 Location: Macao
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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dekiller wrote:
What do you think with CZJ Tessar 80/2.8 and Biometar 80/2.8 in M42? _________________
M42 : CZJ Flektogon 20/4, Biotar 58/2 (preset, auto, manual), Biometar 80/2.8, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4
Meyer Helioplan 40/4.5, Trioplan 50/2.9, Primotar 50/2.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Orestor 135/2.8
Steinheil Cassar S 50/2.8, Cassarit 100/3.5
Schacht 135/3.5, 135/4.5
Kilfitt Makro-kilar D 40/2.8
Feinmess Bonotar 100/4.5
Enna Lithagon 35/2.8, 35/3.5, 240/4.5
ISCO 135/3.5
Pentax Macro Takumar 50/4, Super Macro Takumar 50/4
EXA : CZJ Biometar 80/2.8
P6 : CZJ Tessar 80/2.8
Meyer Primotar 180/3.5, Orestegor 300/4
Kodak & Voigtlander DKL : Schneider 28/4, 45/2.8, 50/1.9, 85/4, 135/4
Voigtlander 35/3.4, 50/2.8, 135/4
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
dekiller wrote: |
What do you think with CZJ Tessar 80/2.8 and Biometar 80/2.8 in M42? |
Great and rare lenses! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
I noted that nobody chose to CZJ 135/3,5.
I know that can be too long for portrait, but Am I loosing anything about this lens?
I tried it and seemed to be very sharp with very good bokeh, zeiss colors, focus from 1 m.
Now, please, tell my the truth.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:27 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I personally don't believe 135mm is too long for portraits. The slight compression it provides can even be flattering for some folks.
I'll admit my Nikkor 105/2.5 is a sweet optic, but I'll also have to admit that my favorite for casual portraits has been a Nikkor 135/2.8. I especially like it for shooting candids, because I can stand off a bit from my subject. A scan of a slide (Fujichrome 100) I shot of my wife 20 years ago with the 135 wide open:
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Big Dawg
Joined: 28 Jan 2009 Posts: 2530 Location: Thach Alabama
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Big Dawg wrote:
Vivitar 105 f/2.5
Pentax SMC M 50 f/1.7
Pentax DA 18-55 kit lens.
_________________ Big Dawg
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madamasu
Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 597 Location: Frankfurt/Main Germany
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: |
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madamasu wrote:
I just bought a Helios-81M via ebay Germany for 25€ (and another 10€ for a 49mm lense-cap, which I didn't have). I took a few pictures in our market-hall last saturday, when two guys filmed a boy with a polar-bear outfit. I asked, if I also could take a few shots of him, and here are two. After having a look at them at home on the screen, I was pleasantly surprised by the colours, especially the ski-tones, and the bokeh is also not bad at all. So I guess I can say it is a very good portrait-lense. I won't be able to shoot more than that anyhow, as I cannot focus on anything farther away than 5-6m. The description says, I can use it with Nikon F and Kiev 19, but infinity is obviously not possible.
Both pictures @f2, ISO 320
The second pictures was problematical because of the light-situation: lots of light through the windows at the right side, and a lot of other smaller lights and reflections from the food-stands.
_________________ Zorki 4
Jupiter 8, 9, 11, 12 & triple finder
Nikon D200, D700
Nikkors: 15/3.5 AI; N.C 24mm/2.8 (AIed);
N 35mm/1.4 (AIed); 45mm/2.8P; 50mm/1.2 AIS; Micro 55mm/2.8 AIS; Noct 58mm/1.2 AIS;85mm/1.8 (K-lense AIed); 105mm/2.5 AIS; 135mm/3.5 (K-lense AIed)
Voigtlaender Ultron 40mm/2; CZJ Flektogon 20mm/4 (AIed); Helios-81M; MIR-20N; Volna-3; Flektogon 50/4;Flektogon 65/2.8; Biometar 80/2.8; Biometar 120/2.8; Sonnar 180/2.8; Sonnar 300/4
Kiron 70-210/4.5 Makro
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
nice portraits everybody!
Helios-81M look wow! |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
estudleon wrote: |
I noted that nobody chose to CZJ 135/3,5.
I know that can be too long for portrait, but Am I loosing anything about this lens?
I tried it and seemed to be very sharp with very good bokeh, zeiss colors, focus from 1 m.
Now, please, tell my the truth.
Rino. |
I've got this lens and it is sharp wide open but very sharp at F5.6. In fact it's my sharpest MF lens. I've not tried it for portraits yet but if you like sharp portraits (I do) then it's worth a look.
One lens I tried was the 2.4/35 CZJ Flektogon. On a crop body it worked well for longer than head shots. Again, one for sharp portraits
I used to have a Volna-3 but got rid of it as it wasn't used much, but a great lens for saturation and sharpness after F4. Sometimes I regret getting rid of it but I needed to fund my Tamron Adaptall-2 90mm macro which gets a lot more use as well as being a better build. Again a lens that is supposed to be good for portraits. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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madamasu
Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 597 Location: Frankfurt/Main Germany
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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madamasu wrote:
By the way: who says you can't do portraits with a 15mm lense?
This one is cropped, @3.5 ISO 1250
_________________ Zorki 4
Jupiter 8, 9, 11, 12 & triple finder
Nikon D200, D700
Nikkors: 15/3.5 AI; N.C 24mm/2.8 (AIed);
N 35mm/1.4 (AIed); 45mm/2.8P; 50mm/1.2 AIS; Micro 55mm/2.8 AIS; Noct 58mm/1.2 AIS;85mm/1.8 (K-lense AIed); 105mm/2.5 AIS; 135mm/3.5 (K-lense AIed)
Voigtlaender Ultron 40mm/2; CZJ Flektogon 20mm/4 (AIed); Helios-81M; MIR-20N; Volna-3; Flektogon 50/4;Flektogon 65/2.8; Biometar 80/2.8; Biometar 120/2.8; Sonnar 180/2.8; Sonnar 300/4
Kiron 70-210/4.5 Makro
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:07 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Well, you can, but you get distortion when you stand so close. As shown in that photo. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 891
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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voytek wrote:
It is surprise for myself but lens which I believed is soft and only average performer becomes one of my favorites. Polaris 1.8/135 is an incredibly sharp lens with great bokeh.
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WallyJr74
Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Posts: 146 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:27 am Post subject: |
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WallyJr74 wrote:
CZJ 135/3.5 is pretty good too.
Wide open
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Nikon D700 & some AF/MF lenses. |
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