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Super Takumar 50mm f1.4 OR Rokkor 58mm 1.4?
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Super Takumar 50mm f1.4 OR Rokkor 58mm 1.4? Reply with quote

Hey gang,

Just a few post in here on this forum...looking forward to spending some time here. I've caught the “cult MF lens bug” after picking up an OM Oly G-Zuiko 50 1.4 and slapping it on my 5DMK2...very fun! Now I'm on a hunt for a decent ~50mm 1.4/1.2 that will take both good stills and video.

I'm still looking because the wide open setting of the Oly I mentioned just doesn't seem sharp enough across enough of the center of frame and the focus ring has about a 1mm lag before it begins to engage the helicoid to focus (not precise enough for follow focus usage). Also the damn thing is small...almost too small to use with a follow focus system which I have…I need more meat/glass in a lens.

Now, here's the situation:

I bought a used Minolta Rokkor-PF 58mm f/1.4 used at a garage sale for $5...it had oil on the aperture and it was stuck wide open. I completely broke down the lens (front and back) and managed to clean the aperture blades with q-tips and Napthalene (Naptha) which evaporate quickly and it safe with a lot of plastics etc. What's recommended to clean apertures any way? Now the lens is back together and it's all dry and snappy and the glass hasn't one spec of dust inside it. Only issue is the mount I want to use from Jim Buchanan is a bit costly but worth it due to its precise machining.

Which would be better...keep and use the Rokkor and ditch it and get the Takumar? I need to also find out how big the Takumar is compared to the Rokkor...I love the size and fell of the Rokkor...plenty of circumference and focus ring to attach a follow focus gear.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Roy,

Well come.

To get infinite focus with a MD/MC mount in a Canon body, you will need a adaptor with glass. It happens because the focal distance in MD/MC is smaller than the Canon one.
If I were you I would run to M42 lenses. They are cheap and good. I have the Takumar 50mm 1.4 that is my fave lens, the Nikkor 50mm 1.4 is realy good too. Both can be used in the Canon body with cheap adapters.

There are a lot of guys with much more experiense than me in the MF forum that will give you more acurated infos.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the Rokkor, but I agree with Fernando because of the need for an adapter with glass (I have one, gives me softfocus with the fast standard Rokkors). I have a Super Takumar 50/1.4 and it is a nice, somewhat smaller lens. Only trouble is that they can get yellow a bit, to cure by using and bathing in UV light.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good guys...hummm...seems the local ebay Tak 50 1.4's are landing around $100...I can live with just a standard adapter on the Rokkor and sacrifice infinity focus because of mirror/lens interference. I just wan't a solid look/feel lens with good IQ wide open.

hummm...."by using and bathing in UV light" so there's a procedure for curing a yellow colored lens?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

motleypixel wrote:
Very good guys...hummm...seems the local ebay Tak 50 1.4's are landing around $100...I can live with just a standard adapter on the Rokkor and sacrifice infinity focus because of mirror/lens interference. I just wan't a solid look/feel lens with good IQ wide open.

hummm...."by using and bathing in UV light" so there's a procedure for curing a yellow colored lens?

Thanks!


Hi.

1- Let me say that the SMC is a bit better lens than the Super Takumar, for me of course.

2- The first 8 elements super takumar 1,4/50 (say super takumar at the front and at the aperture ring between F/1,4 and F/2 the space is the same than between F/2 and F/2,Cool, has a different sharpness. If I can say in this way, this lens is more pictorial rendering. Very interesant and fewer made of the three 1,4/50 takumars.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, WHICH Minolta Rokkor-PF 58mm F1.4 do you have?

There is the Minolta Auto Rokkor-PF 58mm F1.4 with the lever on the side.
Then there is the Minolta Auto Rokkor-PF 58mm F1.4 without the lever.
And then there is the Minolta MC Rokkor-PF 58mm F1.4

I have the first and the last. The last type (MC Rokkor-PF 58mm F1.4) is superior to the Auto Rokkor-PF 58mm F1.4

I also have a Super-Takumar 50mm F1.4, the Takumar S-M-C 50mm F1.4, Takumar SMC 50mm F1.4

I've tested 3 of those lenses against each other, but not the Takumar S-M-C or the Takumar SMC.

Of those three:
Minolta MC Rokkor-PF 58mm F1.4 (I have two of these, one is excellent, one is very good)
Super-Takumar 50mm F1.4 (good)
Minolta Auto Rokkor-PF 58mm F1.4 (only just average)
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the size and feel of the MC Rokkor 58/1.4 too but I think if you only want to use it on a 5D you would be better off selling it and putting the money towards a lens which doesn't need converting.

I'm a fan of Takumars but I think they are unsuitable for you - they're very compact compared to the Rokkor (49mm diameter filter v. 55mm) and every version of the Tak 50/1.4 will hit the 5D mirror at infinity as far as I know.

I think you would be better off getting a simple adapter and a Nikkor or a Zeiss Planar maybe. Amongst M42 lenses the CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 is fairly chunky and quite good wide open, or you could look at Yashica or Chinon 50/1.4s. If you want a really big and heavy 50mm then the Volna 9 50/2.8 might tempt you Smile but it's a bit soft wide open.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dnas,

I have the MC ROKKOR-PF 58MM 1.4 SN 5524976 and another coming in of the same that has excessive oil on it's iris that I will dismantle and use as a factory setting judgment for the adjustment of my current one and to canabolize the best components and combine them to make the best lens possible.

Is it okay to switch elements between two of the same lenses?

peterqd,

Right off the bat I just feel turned off at lenses of 49mm filter size...it just makes the use of them on a shoulder rail mount with a rail mount follow focus very difficult...55mm would be the min. and 72mm would be ideal. On the other hand lighter is better with filming since the rig can get really heavy quick.

What's M42 anyway? I've seen this type mount mentioned a lot...so this mount is easy to adapt to EOS EF with a simple adapter right? How does the CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 or Yashica 50/1.4 compare to the MC-Rokkor 58/1.4 or even better perhaps the 58/1.2?

I know the Rokkor will hit my mirror at infinity but I didn't know the Takumars would do this too...for me I would adjust the helicoid and/or file some of the rear element housing if necessary and just adjust toward infinity position until just before hitting the mirror and thus rendering the lens unable to focus at true infinity since I really only intend to focus closer.

Thanks for the help guys!
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have both lenses, a SMC Takumar 50/1.4 and a Auto Rokkor 58/1.4

I also have a 50/1.4 Rokkor PG

The SMC is sharper than the Auto Rokkor 58/1.4, and just a little bit sharper than the 50/1.4 Rokkor

I think the Rokkor bokeh is a little better, but that's subjective...

Ask me if you want any samples!
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind seeing side-by-side of the SMC vs the MC-ROKKOR 50/1.4 I wonder how it would stack up the the MC-ROKKOR 58/1.4?

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can, Rokkor 58/1.2. I had Takumar, I stay for ever with the Rokkor 58/1.2 or 1.4.-
Greetings

http://forum.mflenses.com/rokkor-mc-58-1-2-first-impression-t27942.html
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rokkor 58/1.2 wide open - Yes, at f 1.2 - 1000 asas - without post processing -

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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

motleypixel wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing side-by-side of the SMC vs the MC-ROKKOR 50/1.4 I wonder how it would stack up the the MC-ROKKOR 58/1.4?

Thanks!


Ok, I've done some tests, and I'll post the ACTUAL crops later, but so far as the SMC Takumar, MC Rokkor 50mm and MC Rokkor 58mm (all F1.4) go, here are some prelim observations wide open, and on a 4/3 sensor (Panasonic G1):

All three show about the same resolution & contrast in the centre.

The MC Rokkor 50mm shows the best corner resolution, followed by MC Rokkor 58mm, then SMC Takumar, then Super-Takumar.

Both Takumars show the most CA in the corners.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dnas wrote:
motleypixel wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing side-by-side of the SMC vs the MC-ROKKOR 50/1.4 I wonder how it would stack up the the MC-ROKKOR 58/1.4?

Thanks!


All three show about the same resolution & contrast in the centre.

The MC Rokkor 50mm shows the best corner resolution, followed by MC Rokkor 58mm, then SMC Takumar, then Super-Takumar.

Both Takumars show the most CA in the corners.


You're making sense based off of the general consensus on the web. Humm, the MC-Rokkor 50 vs 58 is interesting...assuming the center resolution and CA is the same? I'll have to find a MC-Rokkor 50/1.4 then Smile

Awaiting those samples...thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok here are the test results.

First is the setup. I've put the test sheets on the window, so that they are back lit, to test out the contrast a bit. This is quite tough, but gives a reasonable indication of contrast performance, and there's enough contrast to see some CA if it's there. All shot wide open at F1.4



All of the centre images are lined up with the centre circle, and the 100% crop shows a little towards the left of the circle as well, so you can see the thick lines.

MC Rokkor 58mm F1.4



MC Rokkor 50mm F1.4




Super-Takumar 50mm F1.4



SMCTakumar 50mm F1.4


Resolution about the same, contrast is better on the Takumars!!!!

And:
MD Rokkor 50mm F1.4



Olympus OM 50mm F1.4



Nikkor 50mm F1.4



Canon SSC 50mm F1.4



Konica Hexanon 57mm F1.4


I'm not sure about you, but I think the best one looks like the Canon SSC 50mm F1.4, maybe the SMC Takumar second?


Next post is the corner!!!


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