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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Sigma SD14 and manual lenses Reply with quote

At Bob's suggestion I will indeed start a thread for the Sigma SD9, SD10 and SD14 which work just fine with manual lenses.
Please add any links, experiences and photos!
It has a Sigma SA mount which is mechanically the same as Pentax K but with a registration of 44mm.
The only adapter available is for M42 lenses although there used to be one for Nikon I think.
You can mount PK lenses If you remove the aperture link and baffle which will then work fine although they'll focus a bit past infinity.
Anything else needs a little more work!

Look at these links for info

http://www.foto.nordjylland.biz/SD14/SD-usertips.htm

http://www.foto.nordjylland.biz/SD14/SD14-NonSigmaLenses.htm
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks anyone else with more info please post
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Sigma SD14 and manual lenses Reply with quote

I am happy to say that the SD14 to Contax C/Y Mount replacement kit has finally reached the status of Prototype , as you can see here:










The Prototype stage is just a validation of Feasability of the project . It is far from what is required to start production , For that the project needs to go trough another validation , this time of Manufacturability.

I am confident though that most of the obstacles that have surfaced could be overcome. What I am not so sure is if a Mount Replacement KIT can be made that can be installed by a non skilled user.

It looks promissing , but the Planar and another C/Y Zoom lens , have both required the REMOVAL of those Aperture levers that project into the Mirror Cavity. The Good News is that after that there is no Interference with the Dust Filter.

However , because of that , and some other issues ,at this point it looks like the first SD14-ZY offerings will be of Converted cameras , rather than Mount replacement kits. This way perhaps some useful information can be gathered from user feedback regarding lens usability .

The Planar is surprisingly good . Very Sharp and Contrasty and yet with a beautiful , Creamy Bokeh. Color , as well known is a bit on the Blue side, that seems to be a Zeiss trademark .

There is also a certain "Glow" on some images that is reminiscent of the "Leica Glow" that for some images works very nice.

See for yourself here:http://www.sigmacumlaude.com/sigmacumlaude/Sigma%20SD14%2DZY%20Gallery/Sigma%20SD14%2DZY/

If you have an interest in this mount please email me at luis@sigmacumlaude.com so I can put you on my mailing list for further news.



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luis, this is very interesting for me, I have a question, do I understand correctly that a modification to contax lenses is required to mount them?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
Luis, this is very interesting for me, I have a question, do I understand correctly that a modification to contax lenses is required to mount them?


Hi Orio . Yes the Aperture levers extend to far into the mirror box and touch the SD14 Mirror Cage preventing you from engaging the lens bayonet.

This prongs can be rempved in some lenses when they are screwed in or in other cases cut whith a file or a saw.





I cannot say if all Contax lenses have the same architecture in their exit pupil , and in my experience with Leica -R lenses , it is in the Wide Angle lenses were most mount conflict appear. The images above shows what I had to do to the 50 f1.4 Planar.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luis
This is great news! Certainly the work you are doing will be well received especially on this Forum. It is too bad the aperture pin must be modified. This may slow me personally as some of the Contax lenses are too expensive to own 2 copies (one for sigma and one for film use with Contax cameras). Of course many will not worry about something so trivial as shooting with Foveon and Contax is very appealing . Thankyou for your efforts! You are a true pioneer Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you. Well this is not good news really, I'm afraid. I could sacrifice a copy of a Planar 50 or lens with similar budget (100 to 150 Euros), but I doubt I'd never do that to a Distagon 1.4/35 or Sonnar 2.8/180.
But this is me, maybe other people would want to do that, after all there is a lot of people now who is using Contax lenses on digital.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a little reluctant to sacrifice any the zeiss lenses in this way as they wouldn't work on film anymore. My intention is to try a couple of yashica ML and decide after that. I have a feeling the sacrifice may be well worth it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
Thank you. Well this is not good news really, I'm afraid. I could sacrifice a copy of a Planar 50 or lens with similar budget (100 to 150 Euros), but I doubt I'd never do that to a Distagon 1.4/35 or Sonnar 2.8/180.
But this is me, maybe other people would want to do that, after all there is a lot of people now who is using Contax lenses on digital.


Neither would I . The way I did it to the Planar was non reversible because it was purchase for the creation of a mount prototype, but if you dont mind getting more involved you could disassemble the Contax lens mount and unscrew those pins instead of cutting them.

I did that to another lens that I tried before the Planar. But I dont know if all Contax lenses are made the same way.





I also dont know if the Distagon would fit at all, since wide angle lenses per force need to be closer to the Film Plane. If you can , please try to measure the distance from the flange to the exit pupil on all the Contax lenses that you own and report that to me . Maybe some other people might want to help on this. If that is the case please email me directly at luis@sigmacumlaude.com
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: There is no need to de-lever them... Reply with quote

There is no need to de-lever them if you simply remove the C/Y mounting plate and swap it for either an SA mounting plate or an M42-SA adapter.
The easiest Ziess lens to convert to SA mount is without dought the 85mm f1.4 Planar T* (MM version).
As an SA mounting plate is the same diameter as the 85mm's C/Y mounting plate its virtually a direct swap, albeit with some drilling and countersinking in the SA mounting plate to do first.
Here is a picture of the rear of my SA mount 85mm f1.4 Planar T* (note it has no bezel ring...I could'nt be bothered to make one for it):

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1180/img17738buu2.jpg

The 28mm Distagon T* is a little trickier because its C/Y mounting plate securing holes are well within the inner circumference of an SA mounting plate...The solution was to make a simple stepped washer out of Aluminium which sits inside the SA plate and also acts as the lens's bezel ring...A picture of rear of my SA mount 28mm f2.8 Distagon T* is here:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2008/img14104cqf0.jpg

The 50mm f1.4 has a similar securing screw setup to the 28mm so it might be possible to use the same washer to convert one to SA mount.
On no account should you ever consider trying to convert the 50mm f1.7 Planar T* to any other mount, trust me on this!...Its has a horrendously complex iris actuation mechanism inside to work around that consists of two seperate actuators on opposite sides of the lens that have to be turned simultaniously in opposite directions but at different rotational rates!!!...By employing some precison engineered parts custom made for the job I managed it, just, but it does'nt have click stops anymore.
In any case, the lens really is'nt anywhere near as good as its MTF scores would lead you to believe, in fact its really nothing special at all, so even if you spot a cheap one I would give it a very wide berth and get the 50mm f1.4 version instead.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Lens List Reply with quote

hacksawbob wrote:
Thanks anyone else with more info please post


I have a Sigma SD10 and a Sigma SD14 and the lenses I use on them are manual focus/manual stop down only lenses, currently ranging from 14mm to 1100mm FL.
Some of them could not be used until they were converted to a Sigma compatable mount, such as M42 mount, PK mount (Pentax K) or, of course, SA mount.
I decided to convert some of the lenses to SA mount, not because I had to, but because I reserve that honour for my best quality lenses that I need to focus to infinity.
I use my Mamiya 645 lenses via an M645-SA adapter, which I made myself, and the Nikon lenses that I have'nt converted (The Micro Nikkors), I use via a Roxsen Nikon lens to M42 camera adapter plus an M42-SA adapter.
Whilst the Roxsen adapter does not allow Nikon mount lenses to reach infinity focus on an SA mount camera, you dont really need infinity focus for macro shots, which is why I have'nt bothered converting my Micro-Nikkors to another mount.
Most of my lenses came as M42 mount lenses and so did'nt need converting before I could use them...For the ones that needed conversion I will add what mount they came as and what mount I converted them to in brackets.
Here is a list of my lenses as of 31st August 2008 in order of ascending FL...Primes first:
Sigma 14mm f3.5 (rectalinear) (FD-M42)
Tokina 17mm f3.5 TL (rectalinear) (MD-M42)
Tokina 24mm f2.8
Carl Zeiss 28mm f2.8 Distagon T* (C/Y-SA)
Sirius 28mm f2.8 Macro
Carl Zeiss Jena 29mm f2.8
Optomax 35mm f2.8
Carl Zeiss 50mm f1.7 Planar T* (C/Y-PK)
Pentacon 50mm f1.8
Meyer-Optik Oreston 50mm f1.8
Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 50mm f2.8
Nikon E-Series 50mm f1.8 AIS
Wray 2" (50.4mm) f1.0 (-M42)
Canon FL 55mm f1.2 (FL-SA)
Nikon Micro-Nikkor 55mm f2.8
Minolta Rokkor 58mm f1.4 (MD-PK)
Mamiya-Sekkor 645 80mm f2.8 N
Carl Zeiss 85mm f1.4 Planar T* (C/Y-SA)
Tamron 90mm f2.5 SP Macro
Nikon 105mm f2.5 AIS (Nikon-F-SA)
Sigmatel Scalematic 135mm f1.8 (YS MD-YS M42)
Mamiya-Sekkor 645 150mm f3.5 N
Carl Zeiss Jena 180mm f2.8 "Olympic" Sonnar
Nikon Micro-Nikkor 200mm f4 IF AIS
Mamiya-Sekkor 645 210mm f4 N
Taylor-Hobson 12" (304.8mm) f4 (Vinten F95-M42)
Vivitar 400mm f5.6
Enna Tele-Ennalyt 400mm f4.5
MTO 1000A 1100mm f10.5 (T2 Nikon-F-T2 PK)

Zooms:
Vivitar 28-200mm f3.5-f5.3 Macro (OM-SA)
Vivitar 35-200mm f3.0-f4.5 Macro (C/Y-M42)
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