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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: She's a beauty... |
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LucisPictor wrote:
... but I had to rebuild her.
It is a Carl Zeiss Super-Dynarex 4/135 (which I got for about € 10,- - € 17,- incl. shipping). The "problem" was that is came in a Zeiss Ikon Icarex mount, not in M42. That's probably why it went so cheap.
This mount is a very strange, automatic one. So, in oder to mount it to my Canon, I had to remove the aperture mechanism (the blades are stil there) and I had to change the focus tube (everything is reversable).
I can focus from about 1,50m to infinity, but can only use f4. Well...
It still is a beauty.
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Orio
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
It should be similar to the Zeiss Rollei Tele-Tessar which I have. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
OK, here are some shots (350D, all of course f4, see above):
1. Indoors, ISO800
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2. ISO100... Highlight bokeh, well... It's wide open!
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4. Infinity test
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5. 100% crop
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Schnauzer
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Schnauzer wrote:
The picture quality is excellent, even if you only have f/4. _________________ Ron |
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padiej
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 244 Location: AUSTRIA - Burgenland
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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padiej wrote:
Your Pictures looks great, this Carl Zeiss Super-Dynarex 4/135 is one of the best 135mm, I see.
What´s about the distance from sensor to lens (germany: Auflagemaß), is this like M42. you wrote, you had to trick.
I like your enthuisasmus, thank´s for this report.
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
The rear part of the lens looks like this:
Unfortunately, the diameter of this mount is a lot bigger than M42.
I first thought about widening an M42-EOS-adapter, but that would not have left much material, since the diameter of the EOS-mount is not much bigger.
So I had to remove the bulky rear part. Unfortunately, this system is an automatic one that enables the cam to control the aperture. And thus the whole aperture control mechanism had to go.
I then thought about fixing the internal aperture bolt to the aperture ring. Thus would have been possible and by turning the ring I could have changed the f-stop. But then I would not have been able to focus anymore.
So I had to decide between a fixed aperture and a fix-focus. This was an easy decision for me and I chose f4, because this lens is more than just useable wide open..
This is what it looks like now (with an EOS-bayonet):
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Attila
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Excellent presentation Carsten! Many thanks! _________________ -------------------------------
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Carsten, great shots with the lens, and an excellent conversion!
Thanks for sharing!
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
And a little nice shot of the lens...
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
I find the focus ring interesting, is that pebble grain comfortable to use?
Great glamor shot of the lens! |
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Farside
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
Nice quality to the pics. I have a Voigtlander Super-Dynarex 135/4 which I've not got an EOS adapter for yet, but I will try it out with film. There's a similarity to the two lenses, I suppose the Voigt S-D was probably Zeiss built too. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Farside wrote: |
Nice quality to the pics. I have a Voigtlander Super-Dynarex 135/4 which I've not got an EOS adapter for yet, but I will try it out with film. There's a similarity to the two lenses, I suppose the Voigt S-D was probably Zeiss built too. |
As far as I know, these two lenses are similar.
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I find the focus ring interesting, is that pebble grain comfortable to use? |
Actually, that's not the focus ring, it's a sliding lens hood. I also was surprised about that, since I thought it to be the focus ring as well. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Fotal
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Fotal wrote:
great pics Carsten! _________________ Mr Scott please restrain your leaps of illogic. I have said nothing. I was merely speculating. |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Fotal wrote: |
great pics Carsten! |
It's easy to shoot nice pics when the weather is so nice. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Abbazz
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
Farside wrote: |
I have a Voigtlander Super-Dynarex 135/4 which I've not got an EOS adapter for yet, but I will try it out with film. There's a similarity to the two lenses, I suppose the Voigt S-D was probably Zeiss built too. |
They are indeed the same lens. When Zeiss Ikon acquired Voigtländer, many Voigtländer cameras and lenses were sold under the "Zeiss" brand. As Zeiss needed a cheap telephoto for its entry level Icarex SLR, it used the Super-Dynarex that was previously available for the Voigtländer Bessamatic series.
Cheers!
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Farside
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
Abbazz wrote: |
They are indeed the same lens. When Zeiss Ikon acquired Voigtländer, many Voigtländer cameras and lenses were sold under the "Zeiss" brand. As Zeiss needed a cheap telephoto for its entry level Icarex SLR, it used the Super-Dynarex that was previously available for the Voigtländer Bessamatic series. |
Handy, thanks. I wasn't sure if Voigtlander did their own glass at the time. Must've been decent enough for Zeiss to carry it on. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Abbazz wrote: |
Farside wrote: |
I have a Voigtlander Super-Dynarex 135/4 which I've not got an EOS adapter for yet, but I will try it out with film. There's a similarity to the two lenses, I suppose the Voigt S-D was probably Zeiss built too. |
They are indeed the same lens. When Zeiss Ikon acquired Voigtländer, many Voigtländer cameras and lenses were sold under the "Zeiss" brand. As Zeiss needed a cheap telephoto for its entry level Icarex SLR, it used the Super-Dynarex that was previously available for the Voigtländer Bessamatic series.
Cheers!
Abbazz |
Interesting. "Cheap" as in "money" and "f-stop" but not as in "performance", I guess. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Brian
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Brian wrote:
That looks great, and gives me ideas for my Voigtlander Super-Dynarex that I got in a "grab-bag". It had the mount removed.
Voigtlander made great lenses, "strange" bodies. Zeiss bought the company when they were going out in the late 60s or early 70s. |
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Carsten
Amazing. The lens is a real performer.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
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Abbazz
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
Interesting. "Cheap" as in "money" and "f-stop" but not as in "performance", I guess. |
Of course. Zeiss doesn't rhyme with bad lens.
What I meant was that the top of the line lenses (Biogon, Distagon, Planar, Sonnar) marketed for the Contarex series were too expensive for the average user. The Skoparex, Ultron, Dynarex and Super-Dynarex lenses had a simpler design, so Zeiss Ikon was able to sell them at a price level more affordable for the average Icarex camera user.
Cheers!
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Abbazz wrote: |
What I meant was that the top of the line lenses (Biogon, Distagon, Planar, Sonnar) marketed for the Contarex series were too expensive for the average user... |
And thus for me! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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kansalliskala wrote:
You seen the current family tree:
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Looks cool doesn't it?
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estudleon wrote:
Great, Carsten. Voigtlander was a great company. They produced in 1840 the first lens for portrait in modern design. In 1936 some reviews had photography with it. They had your own glasses, and produced the skopagon 40 mm F/2 in the 60's that was one of the sharpest and contrastier lens ever made and unfortunatelly today is an collector item. Your super dinarex, by Zeiss factory, has schoot glass and voigtlander design with little modification. It's better than the original (for the bessamatics and ultramatics series). And isn't the same lens that the tessar 135 mm F/4, because this is a zeiss design for the contax of the 30's (and then for the contarex and the same for the CZJ). Differences: the voigtlander had 4 elements, 2 in front an 2 in rear. The last 2 rear to improvement the corners of the picture; and the classic tessar design had 4 elements, 3 in front and 1 rear. All of them are OK. |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Thanks for these interesting information! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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