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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helios-40-2 of the same quality materials if produced today would have price of at least 750 EUR. Minimum.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancolart wrote:
Helios-40-2 of the same quality materials if produced today would have price of at least 750 EUR. Minimum.

I think the production cost will be much expensive than the old date. Let's see if the final price is attractive to us. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Metalluga, you should send a link to this thread to the factory management. I would suspect they could double their sales by selling internationally, but they would need to get the word out.

PS: Word got out on other forums too: http://www.mu-43.com/f40/russian-lens-production-starts-up-again-33267/
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancolart wrote:
Helios-40-2 of the same quality materials if produced today would have price of at least 750 EUR. Minimum.

How do you know this?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sirrith wrote:
Pancolart wrote:
Helios-40-2 of the same quality materials if produced today would have price of at least 750 EUR. Minimum.

How do you know this?

It's an estimate. Imagine Samyang with thicker, solid materials and whole different production process.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm. Weren't the Helios-40-2s going for like $100 back in the early 90s? I find it hard to believe that would now cost 750€ to manufacture.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmmm. Weren't the Helios-40-2s going for like $100 back in the early 90s? I find it hard to believe that would now cost 750€ to manufacture.

Probably average monthly wage was also $100 at the time. Factory today wouldn't be a part of Soviet conglomerate, exchanging materials, sharing resources,
partly working for military purposes, getting it's revenue from state no matter the real production costs.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancolart wrote:
rawhead wrote:
Hmmm. Weren't the Helios-40-2s going for like $100 back in the early 90s? I find it hard to believe that would now cost 750€ to manufacture.

Probably average monthly wage was also $100 at the time. Factory today wouldn't be a part of Soviet conglomerate, exchanging materials, sharing resources,
partly working for military purposes, getting it's revenue from state no matter the real production costs.

The main specialization of the plant is the same: The military and space optics. Following the statement by President of Russia V.V. Putin, that it is necessary to develop a civil optics in Russia. The plant has received funds and financing items. Just because of this, there was the marketing department photos)
And, of course, the marketing department could not help but notice the popularity of Helios 40-2. because equipment stored in the hangar of the plant, it was not difficult to resume production )))

Because in Helios 40-2 not used Fluorite and UD Lenses, its cost is low.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am going to get one copy of 40-2 as soon as I get some detailed info or tests. I am agree with Metalluga and I am sure they could provide excellent quality lenses for reasonable price. I am not going to visit Moscow in the next 2-3 weeks but I wish visiting that shop so much Smile Hope to see some shots at least. Also I believe they really could make a new lens series based on different designes already developed in USSR.

BTW. They do have a basic international section on their website:
http://www.zenit-foto.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=426&Itemid=143
Banner says "Foreign trade" so I believe it is very likely they will ship abroad.

PPS. Looking on their services I fund the following section:
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On demand optical elements production.
Herein OJSC KMZ a new technological equipment produced by «Optotech» (Germany) has been implemented. This equipment is for precision spherical, aspherical, cylindrical, planar type and prizmatic optical elements.
....

They are also surely could manufacture an apochromatic optics. So this is just wonderful.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New 16mm Zenitar 16mms are 199USD here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FishEye-MC-Zenitar-f-2-8-16mm-Minolta-AF-Sony-Alpha-New-/150556751240?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item230de1b588#ht_4650wt_1163
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
New 16mm Zenitar 16mms are 199USD here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FishEye-MC-Zenitar-f-2-8-16mm-Minolta-AF-Sony-Alpha-New-/150556751240?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item230de1b588#ht_4650wt_1163

This is not Minolta AF, This is M42 mount with adapter Minolta.
МС Зенитар (Zenitar) - M 2.8/16 - M42 mount
МС Зенитар (Zenitar) - K 2.8/16 - Pentax K mount
МС Зенитар (Zenitar) - H 2.8/16 - Nikon F mount
МС Зенитар (Zenitar) - C 2.8/16 - Canon EF mount

Very good price. Smile In the shop of the plant Price 170$ but not free shipped.

PS: The new Zenitar 2.8/16 packaging design (from September 2012):


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancolart wrote:
Sirrith wrote:
Pancolart wrote:
Helios-40-2 of the same quality materials if produced today would have price of at least 750 EUR. Minimum.

How do you know this?

It's an estimate. Imagine Samyang with thicker, solid materials and whole different production process.

I think the biggest price factor of production is the optical glas and the hours of work.
Samyang is using high-end glas, while the Russian production still uses the good old formulars.
Hope there will be a lot shops selling these lenses without much extra charge soon
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
PS: Word got out on other forums too: http://www.mu-43.com/f40/russian-lens-production-starts-up-again-33267/
I hope I didn't break any etiquette by reposting some of the material Smile

Can anyone tell me why they are focusing on SLR mounts, and not mounts more suitable for the mirrorless revolution? I would have thought churning out old skool Russian lenses for M39 would be a winner given the popularity of Nex and M43 systems.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think their lens selection is very smart.

First they are doing the lenses that KMZ already manufactured in the past, so that they have all the documentation and know how. Secondly, it would be stupid to focus on lenses that are cheaply available on second hand market in large quantities. For example, they wouldn't be able to offer Jupiter-8 at the price that I would be interested to buy it. Jupiter-12 that can be used on mirrorless would be interesting, but that requires modifications to the existing design.

That limits their choices to Teles and UWA and here their best designs are SLR lenses, with possible exception of Jupiter-9. Not to mention that SLR lenses can be used both on mirrorless and DSLRs, while RF lenses are only for mirrorless.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ForenSeil wrote:
Pancolart wrote:
Sirrith wrote:
Pancolart wrote:
Helios-40-2 of the same quality materials if produced today would have price of at least 750 EUR. Minimum.

How do you know this?

It's an estimate. Imagine Samyang with thicker, solid materials and whole different production process.

I think the biggest price factor of production is the optical glas and the hours of work.
Samyang is using high-end glas, while the Russian production still uses the good old formulars.
Hope there will be a lot shops selling these lenses without much extra charge soon


In Russia traditionally high margins. Sometimes prices in different stores may differ by 2-2.5 times ...
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Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50/1.7 C/Y
Helios-44М-7 58/2.0 МС
Canon EF 70-200 mm f/ 2.8 L USM
Tokina AT-X MACRO 90/2.5
Meyer-Optik Görlitz Orestor 135/2.8
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