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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pinkerator wrote:
Today new lenses arrived in the KMZ shop, but they have a new cost now. 12600 in roubles and even with that cost all lenses was sold in first day.


Fair price so I not surprise, all get sold, fingers crossed to get great success and company will alive again.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attila wrote:
Pinkerator wrote:
Today new lenses arrived in the KMZ shop, but they have a new cost now. 12600 in roubles and even with that cost all lenses was sold in first day.


Fair price so I not surprise, all get sold, fingers crossed to get great success and company will alive again.



Hmmm. Now I wouldn't be surprised if they sell the next batch at 16,000R Very Happy


PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rawhead wrote:
Attila wrote:
Pinkerator wrote:
Today new lenses arrived in the KMZ shop, but they have a new cost now. 12600 in roubles and even with that cost all lenses was sold in first day.


Fair price so I not surprise, all get sold, fingers crossed to get great success and company will alive again.



Hmmm. Now I wouldn't be surprised if they sell the next batch at 16,000R Very Happy


Laughing yes. What makes me worry they not find price level what is enough to earn , but sell well too. Like Arsat last products, hopefully this time will be better luck to them.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

$400 is still bordering on OK, but more than that and there's no point since lets face it, the helios 40 isn't really a great lens, it is just "desirable". However, what evidence is there to back this new price up other than the word of someone on the internet?


PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sirrith wrote:
$400 is still bordering on OK, but more than that and there's no point since lets face it, the helios 40 isn't really a great lens, it is just "desirable". However, what evidence is there to back this new price up other than the word of someone on the internet?


I agree and hope Russian nation have enough wealth now to keep own factory to run and pay a little more than IQ level suggest.
If they can make good marketing perhaps help to yield own product vs competitors.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume even if old factory line is kept it wouldn't be hard to add modern hi-quality nano coatings. Everybody would pay
some more to have such glass. A bit of flare resistance, contrast boost and digital sensor friendliness. I still play with idea this is old batch found in army warehouse.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Potential sales are probably not large so who would be prepared to make the huge capital investments to have the latest equipment for applying modern coatings?

Then again, they are a military optics supplier too so they probably already have the ability to apply modern coatings.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Potential sales are probably not large so who would be prepared to make the huge capital investments to have the latest equipment for applying modern coatings?

Then again, they are a military optics supplier too so they probably already have the ability to apply modern coatings.


If they still run military production , there have surely latest and important technology, may not called APO DX, BRA and 64 bit encoded Laughing


PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL

The 1990s coatings on Russian lenses are pretty good anyways, I have a Zenitar M2S from the late 90s and the coatings on that are excellent.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is best evidence Smile From Zenit shop.



PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NewStuff wrote:
fermy wrote:
Yep, that's MIR 20 3.5/20mm, for 190 Euros.


I hope to hell it's decent optically, because I may well forgo my intended Samyang 14mm for that in M42. I need to find some example shots.

Metalluga, You seem to know a fair bit about these. Do You work for, or are associated with the company? How would I go about ordering this in the UK?


You won't regret the Samyang for technical spec/sheer resolution. (On full frame too, right up to the corners!)

I did have a similar Mir-47K 20/2.5 briefly a long time ago. I suppose for the novelty of having a russian lens, there is merit too but it didn't have any lasting effect on me either. (APS does limit ones ability to full assess the potential of a lens)


PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW Helios 40-2 samples

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow... what can I say - amazing pictures! Love the first, third, fifth but all seem great due to shap images + bokeh! Seems like a special lens!


PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, these are really good! Where were they shot?


PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GaborF wrote:
Wow... what can I say - amazing pictures! Love the first, third, fifth but all seem great due to shap images + bokeh! Seems like a special lens!


Thank you!


PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancolart wrote:
Now, these are really good! Where were they shot?


On vacation in Thailand Smile


PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Helios 40-2 from www.kievcamera.net
499 delivered
price in usd
shipping from Atlanta USA


PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why label them in Cyrillic? I doubt potential customers are home based.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kievcamera.net wrote:
New Helios 40-2 from www.kievcamera.net
499 delivered
price in usd
shipping from Atlanta USA

Excellent. $499 stateside is a good sign. Just have to wait a while longer for the price to drop to $400 ish and it will start becoming attractive. I've managed this far without the helios, I think I can wait. Smile


PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:10 pm    Post subject: finally got one too.... Reply with quote

I was about to order from kiev.net but the 53 USD for shipping plus possible
import taxes & customs declaration costs made me look again around ebay for
other options. I found an early 70's black export version which belonged to the
late spanish city photographer/comic artist Francisco Hidalgo (his name was engraved
on the barrel where normallly the tripod collar is located).
If its it true that the serial's first 2 digits indicate the year of manufactering, this one is from 1970.
While it is black, it is marked as Helios 40 only. It misses the tripod collar and has M42 mount.

I am looking forward doing a beachshoot with it next month.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now at last I made a site regarded to the Zenitar 50mm f/1.2 prototype I saw on the Photokina 2012.
After I read that Samyang plans to build a 50/1.2 lens in 2014 I hope much more that KMZ Zenit start production of this lens - seems much better from mechanical quality. And likely without aspherical elements - no onion bokeh.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZoneV, that's awesome news! That shot looks so promising. Wondering what kind of OOF area painting character that 50/1.2 has.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome news indeed, I wonder why noone reported on this Rolling Eyes , it's not like new f1.2 lens is introduced every month.

IQ seems not so great though, glow and CA up the wazoo, on par with Minolta perhaps, but Minolta is 40-50 year old technology and its greatest claim for fame is bokeh, not sharpness, resolution and lack of aberrations.

What's up with vignette? It looks like it does not cover FF. Which mount was it btw?


PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Metalluga thanks for sharing, just saw the topic. That's great news! I can't wait to see export to Bulgaria (we are really close related Smile ). I love all the Russian lenses IQ and massive metallic feel.


PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder too, that no other wrote about it.
Probably because this lens was not on front of the booth where the Helios 40-2 and the Apo Telezenitar were, but behind. I think that cabinet was even behind their desk.
In real life I work for a machine vision camera manufacturer company. And I was a bit interested whether KMZ Zenit probably has some products work my work. So I took a closer look in this cabinet with as far as I remember single lens elements and such and some other lenses - I think the old 16mm f/2.8 fish eye was there too. And this fast looking lens. So I asked.

From the single direct comparison between several fast modern lenses and Minolta Rokkor 58/1.2 I know, I think the sharpness of the Rokkor is better than that of EF 50/1.0L, worse than EF 50/1.2L in most cases. Big bokeh because of longer focal length, but much more important for me no danger of onion rings:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/996387
Do you have more comparisons?

I covers 24x36, but with this heavy vignetting - the comparison image with the Rokkor was most likley with my special made hood that adds vignetting to my Rokkor. So Rokkor would normaly be much better.

That lens prototype was with native EF mount.

The IQ of the Rokkor 58 is good enough for me - this is probably the price I have to pay to have a small affordable lens without aspherical elements. But the Canon FD 50/1.2L would still be tempting - but not as a substitute, only additional. The FD 85/1.2L I have feels too clean, too perfect in its IQ.