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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
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 Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject: Mint- = fungus+oil ? |
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CarbonR wrote:
I bought this S-M-C Bellows Takumar 100/4 :
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270428142590
Shipping to France : $34.15
So price is not especially good, but I'd searching for this lens for a while, and the condition was said to be mint-.
That's what I received yesterday :
This lens is clearly not in mint- condition (altough lens barrel is ok). Answer of the seller :
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Cher(ère) pentax_k100,
I will accept a return and split the return shipping fees with you. I believe this is fair. The overseas shipping fees are so expensive. That is the reason in the past I did not ship overseas.To my eyes the lens looked like new. I had a friend look at it and he agreed. I have no problem with a return as long as we share the return shipping cost. Please provide a tracking number upon its return and I will refund half the shipping cost via paypal.
Thank you,
Anthony
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So, two persons look at the lens and do not see these fungus and oil ? I can't believe it. I think it's a common method : you sell a lens with hidden defcts, you know that it will be sold overseas, and you say that return costs are yours. The buyers lose too many money, and prefer keeping the lens. As for my Auto Takumar with arrived with jammed aperture blades 
As I paid by paypal, do you have any suggestions for me (I don't have yet show the pictures above to the seller) ?
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Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
I'd first make sure that it's indeed fungus. I have seen Pentax lenses with a residue on the internal lens elements, which could have been there from the factory. That can easily be cleaned. Please post a bigger version of your photo of the front element.
I would not mind oily blades on this lens though. But that's my opinion; Mint- ones should not have oil on them of course.
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
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Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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CarbonR wrote:
You can see 6Mpix versions by clicking on the pictures  They are on several lenses, we can see fungus on rear elements too 
I agree with the oil, there is no problem, as its a manual lens, but it does not come with mint state
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Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Sorry, I didn't see that, but it's indeed fungus. 
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
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Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
It's the most fungused lens I ever had. I already tested it (I posted pics of my lenses in my topic), @f/8, sharpness is ok (but I only have a 6 Mpix sensor), @f/4 I'm doubtful. Even a non photographer could see them 
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Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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voytek wrote:
I think that the best way is to make your problem more visible to the public. Seller is a 100% liar. Start to discuss with him through ebay system calling him to "ring". You bought item which was described in auction and received later item which was not described in the auction. There is the law about contract everywhere that in case when seller hide something, transaction could be reversed without any costs on buyer side. In such case even seller states in auction that e/g "in any situation shipping costs are not refundable without exceptions" is only a BS. You paid your Total for this what you didn't want to buy (faulty lens here)
If you used paypal and payment was done from your cc not from savings/checking/paypal account contact your credit issuer and report fraud.
Send to the seller messages only using ebay messaging system.
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rick44
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rick44 wrote:
Best bet is what VOYTEK said. Why should you pay any return shipping on a defective lens.
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Farside
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
Report it via PayPal as Item Significantly Not As Described and file for a refund of all your payment, including shipping.
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CarbonR
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
The "problem" is, that I don't what, if it is possible, to return the lens. Except for the fungus/oil, it is in a very good condition, almost complete (rear cap seems to be not original, hood is for S-M-C Macro Takumar, not the Bellows one). I think I will shows the pics, and ask for a partial refund of 30$, thats that return cost will cost me. And I will open the lens in order to clean it, as there is no focusign mecanism, no automatic opening mechanism, the construction should be simple. Do you think it would be a fair deal ?
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Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
"glass is pristine" 
If the seller doesn't agree to the partial refund, start an ebay dispute immediately. I don't want to see clowns like this get away with this.
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magnet-2009
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magnet-2009 wrote:
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"glass is pristine"
If the seller doesn't agree to the partial refund, start an ebay dispute immediately. I don't want to see clowns like this get away with this. |
That's right, dispute [not as described] - claim - done. "Attila speaking".
I have a problem like yours and I have no answer from the seller, following the precedure, I'll have all my money back on 5 August. |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
| CarbonR wrote: |
| The "problem" is, that I don't what, if it is possible, to return the lens. Except for the fungus/oil, it is in a very good condition, almost complete (rear cap seems to be not original, hood is for S-M-C Macro Takumar, not the Bellows one). I think I will shows the pics, and ask for a partial refund of 30$, thats that return cost will cost me. And I will open the lens in order to clean it, as there is no focusign mecanism, no automatic opening mechanism, the construction should be simple. Do you think it would be a fair deal ? |
Seller has 100% feedback from 2000 so not bad guy at all I believe and he care about customers. If you like this lens ask him about cleaning cost I believe he will pay it and enjoy this lens. Don't rush with cleaning if you store right it will not go more worst. Cleaning remove MC layer from lenses so do it only if really necessary. If seller won't refund your money you can able to tell him we have a very nice community here with nice guys , but they are not like much liars so some of members in USA will visit him and ask him why he sold fungus-ed lenses as MINT ? Another members love to purchase something and give negative feedbacks .. 10-15 or more negative feedbacks really not help much on his business.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
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| Shrek wrote: |
"glass is pristine"
If the seller doesn't agree to the partial refund, start an ebay dispute immediately. I don't want to see clowns like this get away with this. |
That's right, dispute [not as described] - claim - done. "Attila speaking".
I have a problem like yours and I have no answer from the seller, following the precedure, I'll have all my money back on 5 August. |
That is cool! I like happy ends !
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Séamuis
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Séamuis wrote:
this is exactly why I pay a higher cost to get Takumars that ARE in mint condition or as close to that description as possible.
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Fish-Eye -- Fish-Eye-Takumar 1:11/18
WideAngle -- Super-Takumar 1:3.5/28, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3/35, Auto-Takumar 1:3.5/35, Super-Takumar 1:3.5/35
Normal -- S-M-C Takumar 1:1.4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:1.8/55, Super-Takumar 1:1.8/55, S-M-C Takumar 1:1.8/55, SMC Takumar 1:1.8/55, Auto-Takumar 1:2/55
TeleType -- S-M-C Takumar 1:1.8/85, S-M-C Takumar 1:2.8/105, Super-Takumar 1:3.5/135, Tele-Takumar 1:6.3/300
Zoom -- Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150
Macro -- Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4/100, Bellows-Takumar 1:4/100
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CarbonR
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
This lens was described as mint-, I discover the real condition when I received it.
However, I just send a message to the seller arguing for a 30$ refund, now I'm waiting for his reply. As he sells (and sold) photographic equipment, he knoiws what fungus means...
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Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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hk300
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hk300 wrote:
This seller is different than Keith Rock, it seems that this seller aims to keep his 100% score, whereas Keith doesn't seem to care.
Therefore, if he does not respond, give him a neg rating ... then he will contact you asking to remove this rating and settle this.
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