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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

most welcome here, that's 'some' grandfather and gifts that you are having Shocked
thank you for becoming member here and presenting these mythical lenses, your and even your father's willingness further answer questions and also the story abt. numbers and computers.

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Rob, the 25/1.4 and 18/2.8 may be extremely valuable lenses so take great care when you get a flood of offers to buy them from you. These should be sold at an Auction specialising in exotic camera equipment, probably not ebay. Those 2 lenses may be the only ones that exist, unless Zeiss has some too, so may be far more valuable then you might be led to believe...


most likely they never will be sold, but if they ever were, without wanting to make commercial for anyone, I'd think they would make a 'special' auction at the "Westlicht Auction House" and there is no upper limit to the price
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M42 Takumars: presets: f2/58mm ( rare Sonnar ) 320.- f3.5/135mm 60.- Auto Taks: f3.5/35mm 65.- f2/55mm 40.- Super Taks: f3.5/135mm 35.- S-M-C Taks: f3.5/28mm 80.- f2/35mm 150.-
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Sony E mount AF Sony SEL f2.8/16mm 100.- Olympus OM: Olympus H-Zuiko f2.8/24mm 150.- Olympus Pen-F Zuikos: f2.8/25mm (**) 125.- f1.4/40mm 190.-
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notes: Vivitar f3.5/17mm (*): defect on coating or beginning separation of second to rear element, slight blooming at wide aperture to no impact on IQ -- Pen-F 2.8/25mm (**): coating damage on rear lens, 'light bleeding' at high contrast against light, some blooming at wide aperture
camera Pentax AP, the 'Original Pentax 50.-, if bought in set with it's lens, the f2/58mm Takumar + 25.-, set with defective 2/58 for 120.-

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks much, Rob!
The serial number of the Distagon 2.8/18 belongs indeed to the prototype serials, as Marco Cavina indicated to me.
Wow, I am thrilled!! Two mythical lenses finally embodied in something tangible!
Now you know what we would wish... some photo samples taken with the 25mm and 18mm lenses!
They would be the very first image samples EVER with those two lenses!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome aboard Rob!
Your grandfather is famous here Wink

These two distagons have Contax mount?
We would like to see a few photos taken with them, if you can Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever I have relatives that want to pass on their old camera equipment I always seem to end up with a cheapy canon point and shoot from the early 90s. I can't imagine inheriting something like this. Mind-blowing! Absolutely mind-blowing!

As other have said, welcome to the forum and keep those lenses safe.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Rob.... please get a dslr or mirrorless to use two lenses above. contax will be too long Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow!

The designs did become reality!

I'm dying to see some pictures from the 25/1.4

If you ever want to sell them, please let me know. I'd rather sell my kidneys but keep the lenses between us rather than some rich collector for whom it's yet another nice toy
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to Mflenses Rob!!!!

As a fan of Zeiss lenses and your grandfather I welcome you in the biggest Manual focusing lenses forum in the net !!!!

Very interested of what you know about Zeiss history from your grandfather and father Very Happy

Take extra carefull of your lenses since they are uber rare and worth serious money Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hari wrote:

If you ever want to sell them, please let me know. I'd rather sell my kidneys but keep the lenses between us rather than some rich collector for whom it's yet another nice toy


If/when Rob and his family decide to sell them, those lenses deserve to go back to Zeiss, for a museum (if they have one).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
Hari wrote:

If you ever want to sell them, please let me know. I'd rather sell my kidneys but keep the lenses between us rather than some rich collector for whom it's yet another nice toy


If/when Rob and his family decide to sell them, those lenses deserve to go back to Zeiss, for a museum (if they have one).


That's almost as sad as them being in the hands of a collector who will never use them

Theoretically, you have a point but I'm sure Dr. Glatzel would rather see these beauties put to use than keep them locked away

They've been safely protected all these years, about time we show the lenses some light
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hari wrote:

That's almost as sad as them being in the hands of a collector who will never use them
Theoretically, you have a point but I'm sure Dr. Glatzel would rather see these beauties put to use than keep them locked away


They are unique pieces, if they get damaged in use, there's no going back, no fix, no spare parts.
If there is a museum of Zeiss history, these pieces belong there ultimately.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A question on the 25. There are 2 wide rubber rings on the body. Which one do you use for focussing? Does the otherone move as well?
I ask because normally all Contax lenses are built the same way, one broad ring for focus, one narrow one for aperture.

If you are into photography do get a full frame digital camera like the Canon 5D with the best adapter you can get. In case of Canon or Nikon check out leitax.com. That is the only adapter I would trust with these lenses.

Your grandfather obviously used these lenses judging from the usage marks on them. I you can afford to keep them, do keep them. There aren't many grandfathers who leave such special works of his art to their grandsons. It 's like Enzo Ferrari built 2 cars that were never put into production but are the best of the best and were left to Enzo III.
I am sure Enzo III would never sell the cars (i am also sure he has no need for the money) and i am also sure he would drive them. I would say use these lenses. They were built for light.

Envy is something I normally don't suffer from, but in this case.........

P.s. Do ensure them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
Hari wrote:

That's almost as sad as them being in the hands of a collector who will never use them
Theoretically, you have a point but I'm sure Dr. Glatzel would rather see these beauties put to use than keep them locked away


They are unique pieces, if they get damaged in use, there's no going back, no fix, no spare parts.
If there is a museum of Zeiss history, these pieces belong there ultimately.


As I said, theoretically speaking I see your point but practically speaking I hope the lenses get used

Just because its a prototype doesn't mean you shouldn't have some fun with it
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
Hari wrote:

That's almost as sad as them being in the hands of a collector who will never use them
Theoretically, you have a point but I'm sure Dr. Glatzel would rather see these beauties put to use than keep them locked away


They are unique pieces, if they get damaged in use, there's no going back, no fix, no spare parts.
If there is a museum of Zeiss history, these pieces belong there ultimately.


I'm ambivalent about this. I can see both sides. One thing about putting it in the museum, though, is that if it's going to sit there and not be used, it doesn't really matter if it's broken or damaged (to a certain degree).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hari wrote:

As I said, theoretically speaking I see your point but practically speaking I hope the lenses get used
Just because its a prototype doesn't mean you shouldn't have some fun with it


Yeah, but they're not "just lenses", you know. They are prototypes of unvaluable rarity and exceptional importance.
They are part of the history of photography, no different than if it was about Niepce's first camera.
To take some photos with them, cautiously, to show to the world the performance capabilities of those lenses, yes, definitely!
To keep them as ordinary photography tools, to carry around here and there, as if they were just another lens... no, I would not do that.

I know what can happen to lenses when they get used. In my 25 years as a photographer, I lost lenses. I had them stolen, twice.
I damaged some, even if I am a cautious user generally. I dropped a few.
It would already hurt me if any of that happened to my Distagon 1.4/35 or Planar 1.4/85, to quote two lenses that Rob also has.
But those are production lenses, there are thousands of them around, although not an infinite number, still enough to have them used with some peace of mind.
But the prototype of the 1.4/25 aspherical Distagon... a lens that was almost an utopia in the time it was designed... no. No, no way.

Of course, the lenses are Rob's, so he will decide what to do with them!
But I can tell you that, if my grandfather was Erhard Glatzel, I would feel urged to honour his memory by paying great respect to those
prototypes, and do everything that I can in order to have those prototypes preserved for future studies
and for a museum of photography history that can preserve those prototypes for the future generations.

rawhead wrote:

I'm ambivalent about this. I can see both sides. One thing about putting it in the museum, though, is that if it's going to sit there and not be used, it doesn't really matter if it's broken or damaged (to a certain degree).


Don't forget they're prototypes. They were not designed for being "enjoyed". They were designed to be tested and studied with a possible future production in mind.
Museums today are in large part not anymore the closed structures they used to be in the past. Today, technical museums are more open.
They have programs of loans, and programs when some selected people -students, mostly- can try and use the objects, of course under surveillance and guidance.
Once in a structure that will safeguard it for the future, the object can still be enjoyed, by many, over many decades if not centuries.
If sold to a private, god only knows what happens, and in any case, only one person will enjoy it, the rest of the world will most likely have it lost forever. You have no guarantee
that the buyer willl treat it carefully or will share his photos with the rest of the world. A museum, instead, will most likely produce professional documentations and photo samples for the public.

Rob does and will care about those lenses, because they're his granddad's heritage, it's about his own family history and pride.
But once those lenses would go out of the family, can anyone be sure of how they will be treated by a private? Where in the world they would end up?
No, there's no logical reason in my mind to have a private sale preferred to a safe museum structure.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, there's no logical reason in my mind to have a private sale preferred to a safe museum structure...


agreed in theory
but then is there a Zeiss museum, and if there is one, how safe is it, who is the owner?

I still shudder when I think of Hoya closing down the big Pentax museum outside Tokyo in 2009. Where did all go?
So after all what matters most is a responsible person
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M42 Takumars: presets: f2/58mm ( rare Sonnar ) 320.- f3.5/135mm 60.- Auto Taks: f3.5/35mm 65.- f2/55mm 40.- Super Taks: f3.5/135mm 35.- S-M-C Taks: f3.5/28mm 80.- f2/35mm 150.-
other M42: Vivitar f3.5/17mm (*) 50.- Auto Yashinon f2/5cm 55.- Pentax K: Kiron f2.8/28mm 30.- AF lens Sigma f2.8-4.5 17-70mm incl. 72mm UV filter 170.-
Sony E mount AF Sony SEL f2.8/16mm 100.- Olympus OM: Olympus H-Zuiko f2.8/24mm 150.- Olympus Pen-F Zuikos: f2.8/25mm (**) 125.- f1.4/40mm 190.-
Rollei QBM: Voigtländer Color-Skoparex AR f2.8 28mm 70.- Nikon F: Nikkor-NC Auto f2.8/24mm 120.- Nikkor-S Auto f1.4/50mm 70.- Tamron Adaptall: f2.5/28mm 35.-
notes: Vivitar f3.5/17mm (*): defect on coating or beginning separation of second to rear element, slight blooming at wide aperture to no impact on IQ -- Pen-F 2.8/25mm (**): coating damage on rear lens, 'light bleeding' at high contrast against light, some blooming at wide aperture
camera Pentax AP, the 'Original Pentax 50.-, if bought in set with it's lens, the f2/58mm Takumar + 25.-, set with defective 2/58 for 120.-

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