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jamesdak
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 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: Contax Zeiss 100mm f/2.0... 100 % crops on Canon 5D |
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jamesdak wrote:
Per a request in another post, crops from images taken with a Contax Zeiss 100mm f/2.0 on a Canon 5D body handheld. Images just opened in CS2, cropped and saved as jpg at 72 dpi, no processing.
From another picture:
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Orio
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Thanks James. Is your copy AE or MM?
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jamesdak
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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jamesdak wrote:
AE, I do believe. |
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KhanX
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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KhanX wrote:
Great in details. Now I can't do like you jamesdak.
I have a questions about it. How can we know about AE or MM?
My lens is Mad in West Germany. Is it AE or MM?
Thanks a lot.
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Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4 |
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Orio
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| KhanX wrote: |
I have a questions about it. How can we know about AE or MM?
My lens is Mad in West Germany. Is it AE or MM?
Thanks a lot. |
It's very easy. Check the aperture number on the lens. The last number (in case of a Planar 1.4/50 it would be "16") is what will reveal it.
If the last number is white, the lens is AE
If the last number is green, the lens is MM
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Hi KhanX, the MM have the high aperture in green
Hi James, those crop are first class, difficult to do better
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KhanX
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KhanX wrote:
Thanks Orio, poilu
My Carl Zeiss lens : Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Distagon 18mm f4, and 100mm f2 is AE lens.
Another questions that seem stupid : what is different between AE and MM lens? I'm newbie of Carl Zeiss lens
Thanks a lot.
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Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4
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Orio
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| KhanX wrote: |
Thanks Orio, poilu
My Carl Zeiss lens : Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Distagon 18mm f4, and 100mm f2 is AE lens.
Another questions that seem stupid : what is different between AE and MM lens? I'm newbie of Carl Zeiss lens
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There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers  I hope that mine is not! 
MM lenses offer full automation to those Contax and Yashica camera that supports them. This means that you can set the aperture as you like, and the lens will stay wide open for you to focus, in any program you choose, be it automatic, time priority, aperture priority or manual. It will stop down only when you click shutter.
If instead you mount an AE lens on a MM camera body, the camera will automatically switch to aperture mode, the only mode supported by the AE lenses. With manual mode, a AE lens can only be operated stop-down.
But the main difference nowadays between AE and MM lenses is that the MM versions are in several cases, optically improved with regards to older AE versions.
This is the sure case of Distagon 25, Distagon 2.8/28, and Sonnar 2.8/135.
Most probably, but not surely, also the case of Planar 1.4/85. These are the models reported as changed by Zeiss, but Zeiss is used to improving their lenses without giving notice, so it is opinion of many Zeiss experts that many lenses in the MM range have been improved "silently" compared to AE version.
I have verified personally that the aforementioned lenses hav ebeen effectively improved with the MM versions, as I have tried both versions of them all.
I have also compared AE and MM versions of other lenses, such as Sonnar 2.8/85, but I have not been able to ascertain sure differences.
Perhaps some models (like Distagon 1.4/35 and the above mentioned 1.4/85 Planar) are just very slightly sharper in the MM version, but a little less 3D, and are more 3D in the AE version, but a little softer.
So one thing woulc compensate and determine the other.
But we are, really, talking of very subtle shades.
In the practical uses, I have perceived clear improvements only for Distagon 25, Distagon 2.8/28 and Sonnar 2.8/135.
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KhanX
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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KhanX wrote:
Thanks a lot for all good knowledge, Orio.
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Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4
Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4
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jamesdak
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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jamesdak wrote:
This link takes you to a downsized, but large, pano I shot by combining several shots taken with the 100mm
http://www.pbase.com/jhuddle/image/87408333 |
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
Wonderful!
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Orio
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
James - hat off!
I confess, I have saved your picture on my computer - hope you're not angry for that.
Yes the Planar 200 is perfect for pano shots, because it has nearly ZERO distortion!
Do you remember the F/stop you used for the takes?
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jamesdak
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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jamesdak wrote:
I know the landcape was shot at 1/650 at either f/8 or f/11 and in this case was handheld. The horse shots I don't honestly remember but I do know I varied the aperture some since they were sorta test shots. |
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Farside wrote:
Wow.
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Abbazz wrote:
Absolutely gorgeous! Thank you for sharing.
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