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hacksawbob
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 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: Canon EOS and manual focus lenses |
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Please post your comments here for new members as a reference. Mount adapter, compatability, AF confirm chip availability etc
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hacksawbob
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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I have this system and it seems to be the most common one that people use. With its market dominance Canon certainly had the most accessories and mount adaptors made for it. Lens registration distance (sensor to lens mount) is 44mm http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mounts.htm M42 is 45.46mm allowing a healthy thickness for adaptors. These are cheap and available for little money on Ebay. Focus confirmation chips are also available. The 400D offers sensor cleaning a large LCD screen and brighter viewfinder than the 350D. sensor cleaning is certainly an issue if you are changing lenses frequently as you tend to with several primes in your bag. I also understand that metering has improved over the 350D. Older canon FD lenses are not able to be mounted without an optical converter that degrades image quality
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Orio
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Not all C/Y and Rollei adapters have a problem with infinity, and not all lenses from these makers (essentially, always Zeiss) can cause such a problem. At least the 50% of my Contax lenses work perfectly with any commercial adapters. For the other 50%, you can reduce the thickness of the adapter. Both C/Y and Rollei adapters can be easily sandpapered to obtain optimal thickness if needed. I did that on more than one adapter, with perfect working results.
Additionally, I can provide the contact to an Ebay seller who has an optical mechanical construction company, and who does fix adapters that are too thick if you want a mechanically precise and beautiful work.
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bob955i
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Martin @ Panoramaplanet's list of 5D compatible lenses:
http://www.panoramaplanet.de/comp/index.html
From what I've gathered from various sources, Exakta-EF adapters generally don't quite allow infinity focus in that the adapter flange would have to be extremely thin. |
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bob955i
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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According to this listing the Exakta lens register is 44.7mm compared with the Canon EF at 44mm:
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mounts.htm
With 0.7mm difference it's a wonder no one has tried the same as what Pentax did and offered an adapter that fitted inside the camera lens mount. |
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peterqd
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks LL. Based on your figures I've updated the compatability chart of register distances. Look along the horizontal row for the lens type and then down that column to see if it is compatible with the camera type on the left. Green indicates distance is OK, red indicates inifinity focus not possible without additional optics and yellow indicates probably OK but if a flange is needed it will probably be too thin or the bayonets may clash.
edit: updated to include Exakta lenses. Any others? |
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esrods
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Excellent information here guys. Many thanks.
I have 4 M42->EOS adapters including an AF confirm. None of them is 1.5mm thick  They are about 1mm thick.
What would be the effect on pictures/focussing? Do I have to build up by packing 0.5mm thick tape between the lens and adapter? Or should I un-dust my Canon lenses and say good-bye to all my MF lenses?
Sorry, latter won't happen 
Cheers
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peterqd
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| esrods wrote: | Excellent information here guys. Many thanks.
I have 4 M42->EOS adapters including an AF confirm. None of them is 1.5mm thick They are about 1mm thick.
What would be the effect on pictures/focussing? Do I have to build up by packing 0.5mm thick tape between the lens and adapter? Or should I un-dust my Canon lenses and say good-bye to all my MF lenses?
Sorry, latter won't happen
Cheers
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Hi Ed. When an adapter is too thin the lens will sit a little too close to the sensor, which means it will focus on infinity in the viewfinder before it hits the stop on the focus ring - it will focus "beyond infinity" if such a thing is possible. At the other end of the scale you lose a little of the short focus distance.
This happens with most of my adapters too, but I thick it's much better this way than when the adapter is too thick and you lose the abilty to focus on infinity altogether, so I haven't bothered to do anything about it. Just go with what you see in the viewfinder and you'll be OK.
You could try packing out the adapter behind the flange slightly to keep the lens further from the sensor, but this might give problems with the bayonet unless it's quite loose already. It might be better to put the packing between the lens and the adapter, but then the index mark on the lens won't be at the normal 12 o'clock position. Maybe aluminium foil would be good to start with, folding it over till you get to the thickness you need.
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esrods
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Peter,
Now I understand why I have to 'pull back' slightly to get the best long distace focus.
I think I will stick to what I have been using 
Cheers from Sydney
Ed
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Flor27
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Any recommanded eBay Nikon to EOS adaper ? Thanks
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Attila
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Orio will tell you, I have no clue.
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Orio
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I buy them from this guy, very honest seller, 100% trust.
http://stores.ebay.it/wwvnikon-discountcom
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patrickh
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Peter
greta work, thanks
Orio
what a lovely site, mille grazie
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Abbazz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| peterqd wrote: | | edit: updated to include Exakta lenses. Any others? |
Thanks Peter for this useful table.
You could also add the excellent Bessaflex and Retina Reflex lenses. They used a special bayonet type. My documentation says the registration distance is 44.70mm, but I think it is more. The lenses were made by Voigländer for the Bessamatic and Ultramatic cameras (like the very nice 50/2.0 Septon) and by Schneider or Rodenstock for the Kodak Retina IIIS and Retina Reflex cameras.
There is an adapter to mount these lenses on EOS cameras which is made by Rayqual in Japan (but I'm afraid it doesn't ship out of Japan):
http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fhomepage2.nifty.com%2frayqual%2fDKL.html
There also an M42 version of this adapter available from Cameraquest (ships worldwide):
http://www.cameraquest.com/adapt_deckel.htm
The M42 adapter is also available from Elefoto in Japan (ships worldwide):
http://elefoto.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ENGLISH/slr-e.html
Cheers,
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peterqd
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Thankyou Abbazz. I will add another column for Bessa/Retina lenses as soon as I get time. It's interesting to see from the Japanese site that this is another mount where you might be able to use an intermediate adapter, for instance Bessa/M42 > M42/EOS. However I think your figure of 44.7mm is probably correct, based on the site where I got my information: http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mounts.htm, and if this is correct then I don't think the Japanese adapter would achieve infinity focus on any camera (except maybe the Oly 4/3) unless it has a conversion lens itself. The column in the table would look exactly the same as the Exakta mount.
The table started out simply as a comparison of register distances to show what combinations work in theory, but it would be quite easy to show the combinations for which adapters are already available, with another colour, possibly. I'll give it some thought.  |
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